Cant dial in my Griffin RTA

crew · Jul 19, 2016

hi all
new to this forum
i recently acquired a griffin rta. Sold to me by the shop. Saying it would be an easy build and really enjoyable.
i have only got it to work really good once. After letting it rest for a few hrs with the juice holes closed. Tried again and horrible hurt on the top of the back of my throat.
As for wicking i try to get it as fluffy as possible. And im just letting it rest on the deck without pulling it all the way down the juice channels

ive tried allot of diffrent builds
first off heres my gear
Eleaf Tc 60w
Griffin RTA
alien wire
kanthol A1 24g 22g 28g
nickle 24g

ive tried 3mm diameter 2 mm diameter 6-7 wraps 3-4 wraps lots of wick hardly any wick

im really at a loss of what to do to get this suposed to be awesome tank working well

Weirdvapenj · Jul 19, 2016

Wow not sure what that can be love mine just leaks a little here and there is take it back to the shop have them taste. My only question did you clean before u build on it?

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BoomStick · Jul 19, 2016

Post pics of your build so we don't have to guess.

Neunerball · Jul 19, 2016

crew · Jul 20, 2016

will post pics in the am
think i got it down now
vapes good at 55plus watts
any lower i don't seem to be vaporizing the liquid
wicking nice
however still got a slight tickle in the back of my throat

yes i washed it (passed under water taken appart) should i have used a product ?
like i said will post pics in the am and see what u guys think
thanks a bunch

crew · Jul 20, 2016

this seems to be working ok so far however its not great

crew · Jul 20, 2016

this is the juice im using atm max vg

Neunerball · Jul 20, 2016

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this seems to be working ok so far however its not great

"Not great" as in....?

crew · Jul 20, 2016

Neunerball said:
"Not great" as in....?

as in the back of my throat hurts. hard to describe. like the vape its producing is dry. and i also find the flavors muted.

BoomStick · Jul 20, 2016

The tails look ok, but you could use more cotton inside the coils. Between the wicking and the thick liquid having to fight the vacuum of a tank, I don't think the coils are being adequately supplied with juice.Also, not sure what you're using, but 510 drip tips provide better flavor than wide bore tips.

crew · Jul 20, 2016

BoomStick said:
The tails look ok, but you could use more cotton inside the coils. Between the wicking and the thick liquid having to fight the vacuum of a tank, I don't think the coils are being adequately supplied with juice.Also, not sure what you're using, but 510 drip tips provide better flavor than wide bore tips.

ive tried more wicking and the result is worse seems like the more wick i use the more it chokes up the liquid

crew · Jul 20, 2016

Also would like to know how it's supposedone to look like when it's working well. What are the bubbles supposed to look like. Is my coil supposed to spit. Is my coil supposed to glow while fireing wicked and juiced. And what voltage /wattage should I be using for what omage. Also what the coils should look like while fired primed up. Should the juice be bubbling up. Lol. I have bean told conflicting info from different sources and would like to get to the bottom of this lol.

BoomStick · Jul 20, 2016

Sometimes you have to make the cotton in the coils snug, but trim the tails down some. And they'll get too hot when you fire it while apart. Coils get no airflow when you do that. Your wicking and juice thickness are your main problems I think. Also, that's a lot of coil for that size chamber. Honestly, I hate tanks. An rda is much easier to get working well when using robust coils and thick juice.

crew · Jul 20, 2016

BoomStick said:
Sometimes you have to make the cotton in the coils snug, but trim the tails down some. And they'll get too hot when you fire it while apart. Coils get no airflow when you do that. Your wicking and juice thickness are your main problems I think. Also, that's a lot of coil for that size chamber. Honestly, I hate tanks. An rda is much easier to get working well when using robust coils and thick juice.

So your saying make smaller coils in this RTA. Smaller in diameter and wire size ? I don't like RDAs. Because I travel allot and keep in my pocket allot. Or my school bag.

Waffle Baron · Jul 20, 2016

I get that same throat issue on my SMOK TF-RTA, I found that it was my juice

I was vaping a 30VG/70PG mix and the PG was killing me. So, I swapped it to 30PG/70VG and bam, throat problem was gone. Not sure if that will help you, but it did for me anyways.

crew · Jul 20, 2016

Waffle Baron said:
I get that same throat issue on my SMOK TF-RTA, I found that it was my juice I was vaping a 30VG/70PG mix and the PG was killing me. So, I swapped it to 30PG/70VG and bam, throat problem was gone. Not sure if that will help you, but it did for me anyways.

my juice is 70 vg 30 pg alredy max vg

Weirdvapenj · Jul 20, 2016

Try 90/10 or 80/20 juice or lower ur nicotine level

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Telefunkin U47 · Jul 20, 2016

Looks like a whole lot of coil for your mod. I've found what works best for me in the Griffin with a lower output mod is 26g ss316 with 3mm diameter spaced coils with 6 to 8 wraps. Cotton bacon snug in the coils but not so tight it bunches up when you pull it back and forth. I usually put the cotton in and before putting it down in the channels cut it pretty much even with the outer edge of the deck. When it's in the channels it's ever so slightly off the bottom of the deck. I have zero leaking or dry hits up to about 85 Watts. This is usingdiy juice at 80vg. I usually reserve coils like you have for higher output devices

BoomStick · Jul 21, 2016

crew said:
So your saying make smaller coils in this RTA. Smaller in diameter and wire size ? I don't like RDAs. Because I travel allot and keep in my pocket allot. Or my school bag.

I think you can use that wire and diameter. It just needs to be wrapped tight so the internal bore of the coil is uniform. I also suggest contact coils with the same wrap count so the coils aren't wider than the air inlet. Then use more cotton. You don't have enough cotton inside the coils. Trim the tails if you need, but absolutely put more in the coil. The cotton has to be snug in there to keep the coils properly supplied with juice. So, uniform contact coils with tighter wicking and slightly thinned tails.

BaronVonEyePoke · Jul 21, 2016

I had a bit of trouble with my Griffin to start, I use 22 gauge kanthol with 6 wraps, nice and simple. Next I used a real loose cotton that was easy to pull through my coils. Last of all I used a safety pin to push the cotton to the side in the wicking channels....can't stress that part enough, I opened up the wicking channels that way so there was a nice juice overflow. It will gurgle the first few pulls and u will think there's not enough cotton but it will settle in and work great. Hope this helps.

crew · Jul 21, 2016

BoomStick said:
I think you can use that wire and diameter. It just needs to be wrapped tight so the internal bore of the coil is uniform. I also suggest contact coils with the same wrap count so the coils aren't wider than the air inlet. Then use more cotton. You don't have enough cotton inside the coils. Trim the tails if you need, but absolutely put more in the coil. The cotton has to be snug in there to keep the coils properly
supplied with juice. So, uniform contact coils with tighter wicking and slightly thinned tails.

Trying this out today. I used the same coils however no longer spaced. And put a bit more wicking through them. Nice and snug but not tight. Trimmed the ends and even passed a needle through the wicking to open it up a little. Hopefully this will work

crew · Jul 21, 2016

Alright. Result.

It's a bit better now. Played with the wicking after it rested a bit because it expands. Snipedthe tips of the wick passed a needle through it to make juice flow better. However still find the flavor muted. Vaping the same juice in my kayfun on a much smaller build and got tons of flavor. Still going to try tweaking. However now it's working good enough to maybe get me off these stupid cancer sticks.

Thanks a bunch again guys.

crew · Jul 21, 2016

Also would like to know how it's supposedone to look like when it's working well. What are the bubbles supposed to look like. Is my coil supposed to spit. Is my coil supposed to glow while fireing wicked and juiced. And what voltage /wattage should I be using for what omage. Also what the coils should look like while fired primed up. Should the juice be bubbling up. how should the bubbles look like rising from the juice holes. Lol. I have bean told conflicting info from different sources and would like to get to the bottom of this lol.

still havent had any response related to this

Mattp169 · Jul 21, 2016

wattage depends on your build and preference. My coils are about .5 ohms dual coil 316l SS fused claptons and i like about 50 watts, someone else might want it up at 70 watts so it all depends on your build and what you like. start low and experiment

bubbles????
i guess i see air bubbles form time to time in my juice and coming from the ports. how does one describe that? no clue it shouldnt look like an airs tone in an aquarium but if you get a few coming out here and there thats normal

should a coil glow wicked and juice. SURE. it wont glow as much or at all when you are actually taking a draw because then you have airflow cooling teh coils
if you are just firing it with a wet wick looking at them then yeah they are gonna glow because there is no airflow cooling it

crew · Jul 21, 2016

Mattp169 said:
wattage depends on your build and preference. My coils are about .5 ohms dual coil 316l SS fused claptons and i like about 50 watts, someone else might want it up at 70 watts so it all depends on your build and what you like. start low and experiment

bubbles????
i guess i see air bubbles form time to time in my juice and coming from the ports. how does one describe that? no clue it shouldnt look like an airs tone in an aquarium but if you get a few coming out here and there thats normal

should a coil glow wicked and juice. SURE. it wont glow as much or at all when you are actually taking a draw because then you have airflow cooling teh coils
if you are just firing it with a wet wick looking at them then yeah they are
gonna glow because there is no airflow cooling it

All good info. Thanks.

Pretty much what I'm asking is what signs to look for to let me know what I gotta tweek.

Looking for a good mix of flavor to cloud

So far this griffin is not so easy to dial in lol

It produces allot of cloud right now however flavor is not quite there. And the vapor is also a bit dry to my liking.

BoomStick · Jul 21, 2016

One of the secrets to kayfun flavor is the drip tip. If you're using a wide bore tip, try a 510 drip tip. Flavor will instantly get much better. And bubbles are good. Means the wick is working. At least a little anyway. Wicks can still be struggling, but bubbles means they're doing something.

crew · Jul 22, 2016

OK so result. I only had a few smokes today compared to a pack. I found out some usefull information.

The griffin apparently has one flaw. When u fill up the tank with the juice flow holes closed and reseal the top cap. It creates a vacuume. Unscrewing the top cap slightly while the juice flow holes are open releases that vacuume and et voilà. Wicks perfectly now. Who would have known lol.
Also the 510 drip tip helped with the flavor

Again thanks all.

BoomStick · Jul 22, 2016

Tanks need a vacuum or they will leak, but commonly if you fill them all the way up they get too much vacuum and won't wick. The filling method used by many is to leave a decent air bubble in the tank, don't fill it all the way, and then open juice flow and take one hard pull on it without applying power. That sets the vacuum where it needs and the air space in the tank lets the wicks pull juice.

crew · Jul 22, 2016

A combination of wicking tweeks and vacuume issue and everything is all good now. Nice tasty vape. Don't need to be maxed out on my mod. And omg the clouds after just a small hit. Starting to enjoy the griffin now.

cloudking666 · Jul 22, 2016

when i build my buddy's griffin, i got anywhere from 5-7 wrap 24 guage Kanthal spaced. that seems to be the sweet spot for RTA/RDTA build for me. 45-65 watts. cotton placement is where i see issues, I have to place the cotton laid flat and the rest it on top of the wicking holes. and after i push them in very slightly so they stay. however my Tobeco 25mm Super tank mini RTA, its damn near the same build deck and i stuff the cotton in then cut the excess, zero wicking issues.

crew · Jul 27, 2016

yeah so far so good
i removed the alien coils replaced with regular 7 wrap k1 24g on 3 mm x2
comes out to 0,38ohm running just about 4v at 41w
for wicking i pull just enough through the coil so its taught and trim it so that its just sitting in the space the ring provides
so far for flavors and cloud production im very pleased

0 leaking 0 dry hits

now im falling in love with this tank

currently on day 3 with only a few ucky sticks when i used to burn up a pack a day

thank you griffin for getting me motivated to start vaping again

gordon.z · Nov 7, 2016

Reviving a dead thread but I got the Griffin tank a few months ago. What I realized was the wicking, the bulk of it should sit above the ring and a bit of the tail in the well. When you screw on the juice control unit make sure the cotton doesn't get moved too much. After juicing up the wicks and filling the tank, top on, hold it upside down until the air gets out of one of the juice wells so the pressure is neutralized. The juice wells shouldn't have any bubbles inside them, if they do then the juice won't sit high enough to hit the tail of the wick. Also max vg is too thick with this tank as I've learned (MBV juice) I've had to switch to 70vg/30pg so it's thinner and flows better.

Grubby · Nov 8, 2016

I own a Griffin 25 RTA and it vapes beautifully, no dry hits whatsoever, leave the ring on when you wick it

Coil Used: Single Vaping Outlaw .35ohm Clapton

How it looks:

gordon.z · Nov 8, 2016

Grubby said:
I own a Griffin 25 RTA and it vapes beautifully, no dry hits whatsoever, leave the ring on when you wick it

Coil Used: Single Vaping Outlaw .35ohm Clapton

How it looks:

Single coil leaves the other juice holes unobstructed so the vacuum effect is less , you'll get better juice flow but that doesn't apply to 2 coils.

Lactone · Nov 8, 2016

I had thought about picking up a griffin , but after seeing how much trouble some of you had with it, I'm weary now ..is it worth the learning curve ? I currently vape on an avocado 22 and a subtank mini rba....I'm a proud member of team single coil btw...

gordon.z · Nov 8, 2016

Lactone said:
I had thought about picking up a griffin , but after seeing how much trouble some of you had with it, I'm weary now ..is it worth the learning curve ? I currently vape on an avocado 22 and a subtank mini rba....I'm a proud member of team single coil btw...

Just like any other atomizer. I had a subtank mini too, until I broke the glass and I can't find any replacements for it. The griffin is a great tank though, I use a Tsunami 24 at home and then the griffin for when I'm not. I've got a bunch of juice that's max vg that just doesn't work as well in the griffin so I'll use that with the Tsunami.

Lactone · Nov 8, 2016

gordon.z said:
Just like any other atomizer. I had a subtank mini too, until I broke the glass and I can't find any replacements for it. The griffin is a great tank though, I use a Tsunami 24 at home and then the griffin for when I'm not. I've got a bunch of juice that's max vg that just doesn't work as well in the griffin so I'll use that with the Tsunami.

Ok thanks . I tend to vape a lot of 80vg/20pg and even max vg juice a lot , so I think I will just stay away from the griffin . I really love my subtank mini rba ....sorry to hear about your glass ...you should be able to find one online somewhere , my friend said he got one once for $6. it's funny you mention that thI ugh because I literwlly just broke my glass lasy night and had to search around for my box it came in to fish out the replacement glass it came with. luckily I found it after about 30 mins of searching and have been enjoying it today

gordon.z · Nov 9, 2016

Can you link me if you get a chance?

Cant dial in my Griffin RTA

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