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Ephraim

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I have a huge collection of wire. All n80 I hate kanthal. But everything I put in ramps up slow no matter how low I ohm. Currently I use 6 wraps of n80 and it ramps up as quick as my Drag 2 with more vapor. Shud I stick to this build cause I know it works or is there a secret wire people r using I dont know about. Any clapton I used ramps up to slow. Im using the 21700 Kennedy Vindicator with a constant contact switch and the Kennedy RDA. The flavor and vapor for the 6 wraps of n80 works great. Is that the best Im going to get from a mod.
 

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My mech is bran new so threads r perfect. Its a constant contact switch with no arching. The batteries r Samsung 30Ts true 35 amp 3000 mah batteries. Mooch said they r the best for mechs.
 

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Want faster ramp up? get a regulated mod.
Many of them have a setting for fast ramp up.

Only switch with NO arcing is a Mosfet type.
All mechanical switches will have some arcing.
A matter of physics.
 

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Want faster ramp up? get a regulated mod.
Many of them have a setting for fast ramp up.

Only switch with NO arcing is a Mosfet type.
All mechanical switches will have some arcing.
A matter of physics.
I have the Drag 2 platinum but I gave it to my wife. I love my mech. With this build it ramps up just as fast. I was just wondering what other people use.
 

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I have the Drag 2 platinum but I gave it to my wife. I love my mech. With this build it ramps up just as fast. I was just wondering what other people use.
The constant contact has minimal arching. Nothing like a default switch. I have deoxit contact cleaner to clean it and brasso to clean the threads.
 

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I have the Drag 2 platinum but I gave it to my wife. I love my mech. With this build it ramps up just as fast. I was just wondering what other people use.

The regular round wire builds ramp up faster than the higher mass fused claptons and such. Less mass means faster heating/rampup.

For my mechs I use 26 ga SS316L, 3mm id at around .3. I do not like a hot vape just warm.
If using a single coil atty consider a parallel coil of 26-24 ga. 2 wires wrapped in parallel to appear as one coil.
 

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The constant contact has minimal arching. Nothing like a default switch. I have deoxit contact cleaner to clean it and brasso to clean the threads.
Sounds like you are on top of the maintenance.
A clean mech is a happy mech :)
 

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The regular round wire builds ramp up faster than the higher mass fused claptons and such. Less mass means faster heating/rampup.

For my mechs I use 26 ga SS316L, 3mm id at around .3. I do not like a hot vape just warm.
If using a single coil atty consider a parallel coil of 26-24 ga. 2 wires wrapped in parallel to appear as one coil.
Yeah I think Ive got the best Im going to get with ramp up time. 22 gauge is thick and puts out good vapor. It ohms at .14 so Im getting plenty of power. I havnt found a build that works better. Dont fix whats not broken I guess. 22 gauge puts out more vapor then parallels.
 

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It shouldn't be too slow. But 22 guage is pretty thick. You should try a thinner wire. With less mass. N80 is fine. What size fused Claptons are you using? If its a 22g core then that's probably the issue
 

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It shouldn't be too slow. But 22 guage is pretty thick. You should try a thinner wire. With less mass. N80 is fine. What size fused Claptons are you using? If its a 22g core then that's probably the issue
It shouldn't be too slow. But 22 guage is pretty thick. You should try a thinner wire. With less mass. N80 is fine. What size fused Claptons are you using? If its a 22g core then that's probably the issue
The 22 gauge n80 ramps up immediately. No problems at all. Plenty flavor and vapor. The claptons Ive tried r all kinds but no 22 gauge. It just seems like no claptons I use heats up.
 

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What size are the Claptons and what ohm does the build come out to. About to go back to work from break but will be back at 1130
 

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What size are the Claptons and what ohm does the build come out to. About to go back to work from break but will be back at 1130
Ive used all kinds. 30Ă—4/40 n90 to 28Ă—2/38. No matter what I use the ramp up just isnt there. I try to keep a .14 ohm for power. I like a powerful vape with big clouds. The 22 gauge 6 wrap of n80 seems to give that to me.
 

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That's weird because my main coils are 2x28/36 and ramps up fine. You sure something isn't wrong with the mod? Maybe the constant contact is broke. Hell I don't know man. I'm all out of solutions
 

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That's weird because my main coils are 2x28/36 and ramps up fine. You sure something isn't wrong with the mod? Maybe the constant contact is broke. Hell I don't know man. I'm all out of solutions
How many wraps and is it n80. What do u ohm at? Ill try the same amount of wraps u use.
 

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Dual coil 6 wrap 3mm inside diameter. Ohms out at. 25.. A 5 wrap will come to. 21 or so.
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Ive used all kinds. 30Ă—4/40 n90 to 28Ă—2/38. No matter what I use the ramp up just isnt there. I try to keep a .14 ohm for power. I like a powerful vape with big clouds. The 22 gauge 6 wrap of n80 seems to give that to me.

I'm like a broken record with this, but please, try a single staged heating coil. Use some of that 28x2/38 with a strand of 24awg n80, wrap the two strands in parallel, about 5 wraps will put you somewhere around 0.2-0.3 ohms. Lower ohms, better flavor, a little more heat, and fast ramp-up time. Coil will last a long time, too.
 

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I always preferred Stainless steel, lower ohms for the same/less mass. When I vaped higher wattage I preferred 2X26/36 or 38 wrapped 3mm Id fused claptons 5 wraps dual coil at around.13
 

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I have to agree with @The Cromwell. A lower guage parallel build will keep your ohms low but should give better response. It could also give a bit more surface area to help increase flavor without adding more mass than you already have. With mechs, lower gauge wires typically yields lower performance since it takes more energy to heat them up.

I use 28x3/40 and 26x3/40 fused claptons on my mechs and ramp up is absolutely no issue for me. But I use the one coil per battery rule so my exact builds probably would not be of much use to you.
 

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Get some demon killer v2 alien coils off amazon. 5 sets for under $10. They come in a little blue tin. I take one wrap out and use them in my Kennedy 25 on top of a vindicator. Works very well. Just use a 30t.
 

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With a mech, anything outside "simple wire" (claptons, etc) and your are going to have a trade-off regarding ramp time between mass and resistance.
I lean towards all simple wire builds, ni80 or SS, depending on the resistance I'm trying to hit...I don't like it too low, and often end up around 0.4.
But yeah - you may find with a single battery mech that a simple build gets you the instant response you and I both want, better than almost anything with more wire involved.
 

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Kinda wired I have 3 27/ 37 aliens NI80 in my 2 18650 mech and they are some angry coils using Samsung 20s
Similar here.

I use N80 0.12 ohm, 3x26/36 3mm 6 wrap aliens with a samsung 20s and vapor erupts from the rda as soon as you press the button.

It's all about wire mass and ohms. Id say for exotic coils, you may need to stay under 0.2 ohms to get your desired vape. Just make sure your battery can handle it.
 

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Actually I've been using 27g/36g 5 wraps 2.5mm ID Ni80 aliens (dual coil build at .11 ohms) on a tube mech just about each and every single day for the past 2 years.
 

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That's weird because my main coils are 2x28/36 and ramps up fine. You sure something isn't wrong with the mod? Maybe the constant contact is broke. Hell I don't know man. I'm all out of solutions
Agreed. My 2 28 36 ramps up great.
 

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And is all the threads and switch parts squeaky clean?
any mech will perform poorly if not properly maintained.

I agree with this, except I still find it helps using a wee bit of anti-oxidant grease on the fire screw, strap. I think @The Cromwell no longer uses that preferring instead what I consider a "puritanical" clean. I have tried that as well but found a bit more "play" in using the grease.
 

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Puritanical clean or just thoroughly clean, doesn't really matter to me as long as there's no grease because if talking about mechs greasy means the exact opposite of clean... as electrical grease/lube breaks down due to micro-arcing (not to be confused with arcing) inside the narrow gaps between the screw threads, the broken-down grease/lube starts to speed up corrosion, which is always a bad thing when talking about the screw threads on a mech. Use only the type of contact cleaner that completely evaporates so that it leaves no residue... typically just a mix of isopropyl alcohol and a propellant (propene) so basically if the description uses the word "protective" or "layer", then keep the stuff at least two miles distance away from your screw threads and contacts, I promise you'll be totally fine.
 

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2.5 mm ID 6 to 7 wraps, dual coil nichrome 80 quad 28g twisted. She ramps up quick in my mechs.
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For my mechs I use 26 ga SS316L, 3mm id at around .3. I do not like a hot vape just warm.
If using a single coil atty consider a parallel coil of 26-24 ga. 2 wires wrapped in parallel to appear as one coil.

I see how you are, copying me ahead of myself. ;) :p :)
 

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I see how you are, copying me ahead of myself. ;) :p :)
Actually that parallel coil and a single wire 5 wrap of the same wire at .45 are the only coils I have used in well over a year.
If I do a dual coil atty I just put half of the parallel coil in one side and the other half in the other side.

I vape both coils on both unregulated and regulated mods.
 

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Actually that parallel coil and a single wire 5 wrap of the same wire at .45 are the only coils I have used in well over a year.
If I do a dual coil atty I just put half of the parallel coil in one side and the other half in the other side.

I vape both coils on both unregulated and regulated mods.

Know you been using that quite a while, didn't realize a year. I was just funning you a little. Finding out here it does well for me but I've got it tuned down to around .34 or so. I don't go below .30 with a single celled mech. Probably could do .20 but that drains battery charge too quick and gets vapor too hot for me. .30 to .50 suit well enough. :)
 

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Know you been using that quite a while, didn't realize a year. I was just funning you a little. Finding out here it does well for me but I've got it tuned down to around .34 or so. I don't go below .30 with a single celled mech. Probably could do .20 but that drains battery charge too quick and gets vapor too hot for me. .30 to .50 suit well enough. :)
About .3 for me and just right in a Nano on a pico squeeze using 25R cells.
Now if I use VTC5A cells it is too hot.
The proper battery is also a factor in tuning your vape to get it like Baby Bears porridge.
 
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I'm not particularly familiar with mechs, but have you tried 'purging' the RDA before you actually start hitting it? I've noticed that Bogan still purges his mechs (even the 'highend' ones) and he uses larger mass coils. Should cut down on spitback and give your mech a chance to ramp up.

Otherwise, a dual parallel coil seems like a good idea since you're already comfortable with roundwire builds.
 

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About .3 for me and just right in a Nano on a pico squeeze using 25R cells.
Now if I use VTC5A cells it is too hot.
The proper battery is also a factor in tuning your vape to get it like Baby Bears porridge.

True true true! Just demonstrated this to myself today. Put a fully-charged Samsung 20S into a Ram with a 0.3 ohm coil in it. Scorched my bottom lip. I got an owie. :sad:
 

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switch to nichrome 90, it's lower resistance and heats faster than SS (also has better flavor but thats my opinion), i use 24g & 26g parallels on my vindicator works great

if you are doing clapton / aliens you want the outter wire to be as thin as possible, i use 40g or 44g sometimes, 36g IMO adds too much mass for a mech

get the copper square posts from kennedy, the one problem i see with my vindicators is that the post are SS and thought for round wire
 

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I'm not particularly familiar with mechs, but have you tried 'purging' the RDA before you actually start hitting it?

Can you explain "purging" an RDA? Not quite sure what you're meaning, has me curious. Not meant adversarial. I'm wanting to learn.
 

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switch to nichrome 90, it's lower resistance and heats faster than SS (also has better flavor but thats my opinion), i use 24g & 26g parallels on my vindicator works great

if you are doing clapton / aliens you want the outter wire to be as thin as possible, i use 40g or 44g sometimes, 36g IMO adds too much mass for a mech

get the copper square posts from kennedy, the one problem i see with my vindicators is that the post are SS and thought for round wire
I completely disagree that 36g alien wrap wire adds too much mass for a mech. Using 27g Nichrome 80 for the 3 cores and 36g Nichrome 80 for the alien wrap wire works absolutely fabulous on a single battery mech if going for a .11 ohms dual coil build at 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm inner diameter. Famous coil builder m.terk also builds aliens the exact same way, and, he keeps selling them like hot cakes BTW. Nichrome 80 still also heats faster than SS 316L. Depending on what you are looking for, Nichrome 90 might actually be a little bit too hot if using a Samsung 30T battery. So it all simply boils down to your own personal preferences. Finally, the optional copper square posts from Kennedy are not needed IMO. All it takes to properly mount the coils into the round post holes is that tiny bit of extra patience and careful practice. That plus the fact the stainless steel posts require virtually no effort when it comes to keeping them always perfectly clean.
 

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I completely disagree that 36g alien wrap wire adds too much mass for a mech. Using 27g Nichrome 80 for the 3 cores and 36g Nichrome 80 for the alien wrap wire works absolutely fabulous on a single battery mech if going for a .11 ohms dual coil build at 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm inner diameter. Famous coil builder m.terk also builds aliens the exact same way, and, he keeps selling them like hot cakes BTW. Nichrome 80 still also heats faster than SS 316L. Depending on what you are looking for, Nichrome 90 might actually be a little bit too hot if using a Samsung 30T battery. So it all simply boils down to your own personal preferences. Finally, the optional copper square posts from Kennedy are not needed IMO. All it takes to properly mount the coils into the round post holes is that tiny bit of extra patience and careful practice. That plus the fact the stainless steel posts require virtually no effort when it comes to keeping them always perfectly clean.

i like 2~ 3 secs drags of hot vape, there IS a diff in ramp up time between 36 to 40/44

i do sub 0.1 most of the time (.08 normally), again, pulse drags in the 2 ~ 3

the setup i describe ramps up FAST

the square posts do make a difference, i instantly notice that extra hump when i upgraded my ruby v1 from ss post to the square ones, the connection (and material) at the coils themselves is another point of voltage drop

Nichrome 90 i mentioned because it does ramps faster than SS and (i believe i noted) I just PREFER (myself) the taste of it vs SS

an above .1 ohm (it's about .11~.12) coil i have been using is 5wraps of 2x26N90 claptoned with 40N90. I can comfortably wrap with 44g as well but havent found a supplier of N90 at that gage (n80 i do have plenty, doesn't taste the same)

@ephrain, PM me and i'll send you a pair of these when I get to usps
 

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heat fluxes (how hot, bigger is better) & heat capacity (how fast, lower is better) for 36 / 40 / 44 everything else the same:

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Can you explain "purging" an RDA? Not quite sure what you're meaning, has me curious. Not meant adversarial. I'm wanting to learn.
When you hit the fire button and exhale throw the rda. Pretty much ensures that the coils are heated before you inhale
 

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