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Apologies. I reread your post and I missed the unflavored VG the first time.
Straight VG does not wick well in many MTL setups and could cause a hot vape.
50/50 seems to vape best in most MTL setups.
VG is a lot thicker viscosity than PG.
But high PG can be harsh to vape.
I'm not sure if Halo even lists their ratios, but I'm thinking this Fusion is really their 70/30 "High VG" unflavored juice and not 100% VG. I've only used it a couple of times to either lower a high nic juice or adjust a High PG liquid.

I noticed that the Buck Naked you mentioned earlier is sold as 70% PG. Same stuff you remembered? Think it'll be on the harsh side?
 

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I'm not sure if Halo even lists their ratios, but I'm thinking this Fusion is really their 70/30 "High VG" unflavored juice and not 100% VG. I've only used it a couple of times to either lower a high nic juice or adjust a High PG liquid.

I noticed that the Buck Naked you mentioned earlier is sold as 70% PG. Same stuff you remembered? Think it'll be on the harsh side?
I used it in MTL type vapes with no issues.
The last bottle I had was 12 mg and I mixed it with 50/50 PG in equal measures to drop it to 6 mg and it did weaken the flavor but I liked it better.
It was not harsh but the flavor was a bit stronger than I liked.
The main thing was that it caused me no issues and was a decent tasting tobacco vape.

After it I tried several tobacco flavorings for DIY and decided on Desert Ship flavoring by Hangsen.
With just a touch of butterscotch added.
 

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Popping back in with a brief update and an offer of sorts...

This sucks, it's DEEPLY DEPRESSING, but I'm determined to keep trying at least for a little while longer. Tried your suggestions (including different inhaling/airflow techniques, a bunch of new non-tobacco juices, salt water rinsing, etc) but I'm still having the exact same type of mouth irritation issues.

For now, I'll keep using my Aspire & GeekVape & maybe Smok stuff, but do any of you really need some practically new gear? If you do, or know someone who does, I'll give away both my Innokin kits: Kroma-A 75W + Zenith tank & CoolFire Mini + Zenith D22. Also have about a dozen extra Zenith coils plus some assorted juice I'll never get around to using.

Feel free to PM me or comment in this thread, but I probably won't be able to reply until late tonight or even tomorrow. If nobody here is interested, I'll be listing it all in the PIF Forum over the weekend.

Thanks, Peace & Purrs.
 

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I have been reading your thread since you started it and this just really sucks man. I am struggling as I am unable to vape a high enough nic to supress my cravings due to throat irritation. So I feel you man. You and myself as well have recieved solid advice for our issues. I do love vaping. But I can not yet put the smokes down. I hope we both resolve our problems. Oh and very generous of you. Hopefully someone who really needs it will be blessed with your contribution. Peace and may the Force be with you.
 

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Popping back in with a brief update and an offer of sorts...

This sucks, it's DEEPLY DEPRESSING, but I'm determined to keep trying at least for a little while longer. Tried your suggestions (including different inhaling/airflow techniques, a bunch of new non-tobacco juices, salt water rinsing, etc) but I'm still having the exact same type of mouth irritation issues.

For now, I'll keep using my Aspire & GeekVape & maybe Smok stuff, but do any of you really need some practically new gear? If you do, or know someone who does, I'll give away both my Innokin kits: Kroma-A 75W + Zenith tank & CoolFire Mini + Zenith D22. Also have about a dozen extra Zenith coils plus some assorted juice I'll never get around to using.

Feel free to PM me or comment in this thread, but I probably won't be able to reply until late tonight or even tomorrow. If nobody here is interested, I'll be listing it all in the PIF Forum over the weekend.

Thanks, Peace & Purrs.
I will send you some juice that works for me if you want.
My own DIY tobacco(
Cromwell's Camel) and Cromwell's Custard.
If you are in the USA.
PM me if interested and tell me the nic level you want.
 

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Well, drat.

That does suck. It seems like most of the bases have been covered! As far as I can see, the only thing I can think of might be a metal allergy? Or specific flavor house allergy? I don’t know......conundrum......
 

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Sorry to read that you still have all these problems- what does your Dr or Dentist think? I hope you went to either to have this condition checked out!
There is no way I would want to live with this pain and can't believe smoking makes it feel better.
A Dr could give you medicine as well as a dentist and treat this problem, maybe be able to pinpoint the allergy or what the problem may be.
Quitting cigarettes is so very hard and a lot of will power is needed to be able to quit, but experiencing all these mouth problems with vaping doesn't make it easy for you to quit.
Please seek medical help if you haven't already.
Best of Luck to you !
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I have been reading your thread since you started it and this just really sucks man. I am struggling as I am unable to vape a high enough nic to supress my cravings due to throat irritation. So I feel you man. You and myself as well have recieved solid advice for our issues. I do love vaping. But I can not yet put the smokes down. I hope we both resolve our problems. Oh and very generous of you. Hopefully someone who really needs it will be blessed with your contribution. Peace and may the Force be with you.

Sorry to read that you are struggling as well.
I had horrible cravings for cigarettes for weeks as well when I quit by vaping- I went thru weeks(months) of hell- but no way was I giving in to smoking! I wanted to quit and so I just didn't give in to them. I had cut back for two weeks and set my quit date- December 1st 2014- that was it- no more buying or smoking cigarettes! 4 years later I am still cigarette free. Not easy as my hubby still smokes.
I am a very stubborn person and this is what helped me finally quit cigarettes along with vaping gave me strength to stay cigarettes free.
I started at 24mgs of nic and for the last 3 years my nic is at 3 mgs and I have been using 0 nic too- I like very strong sweet and candy flavors.
I have pretty much cut coffee out of my life too- from 2 pots a day to one cup- I sleep much better these days!
I am hoping for the best for you- we all quit cigarettes our own ways and times- keep keeping on!
The ones you cut out are still better than completely smoking- just keep trying, you can do this!
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Thank you for the kind words. Yes I will overcome. I just believe it would be easier if I could vape over 3mg nic. Even most 6mg juices make me cough and gag. I use a pod as well and the 30mg nic salts are still very rough on me. I diy some freebase at 24mg and it is still very harsh in the pod. I do love vaping even so. Maybe a patch to assist? Idk but I need to get controll over this somehow. Peace and love. May the Force be with you.
 

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i had to court my high plains drifter for months before she decided i wasn't gonna eat her n we could be friends.
she now lives mostly in the house but remains a wild animal that lives in the house.
she protects my fig ctop n that more than pays for her keep.

if you wanna invest some money on a long shot, you might try the epuffer pipe.
minutes after i got mine i knew i'd never touch tobacco again.
i suspect you could use this n avoid the problems you've been having.
besides, you would probably look good with a pipe.
i look silly, but i don;t care
 

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Thank you for the kind words. Yes I will overcome. I just believe it would be easier if I could vape over 3mg nic. Even most 6mg juices make me cough and gag. I use a pod as well and the 30mg nic salts are still very rough on me. I diy some freebase at 24mg and it is still very harsh in the pod. I do love vaping even so. Maybe a patch to assist? Idk but I need to get controll over this somehow. Peace and love. May the Force be with you.
The solution to that problem is often pretty easy. Forget about pod systems and accept that chain vaping on an RDA with advanced handmade coils and 4.5mg/ml-5mg/ml high VG juice to produce a dense, wet vape works a fuck ton better if harshness is your enemy so, in answer to the OP's question, doomed probably yes of course, because the majority of those who fail are waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay too closed minded to even have tried a real decent DTL setup from what I have seen, and, I thoroughly blame all the MTL zealotry that goes on everywhere, complete with the accompanying stigmatization of those who aren't too afraid to tell ya nope, I'm willing to bet both shoes you haven't seriously tried even by far.
 

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Hell yeah a stacked series mod running a .3 ohm coil. 172 watts with 2mg nicotine. That's the ticket. Not really though.

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Is all the juice you've tried the same brand? May be the nicotine from that manufacturer

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To the op.. are you using all the same brand of liquid?
 

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Hell yeah a stacked series mod running a .3 ohm coil. 172 watts with 2mg nicotine. That's the ticket. Not really though.

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This kind of remark is PRECISELY the stigmatization I was referring to, as I haven't said anything about watts.
 

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Funny it’s usually the mtl crowd I see “stigmatized “

Can we maybe get to helping the op solve their issue instead of playing whose vape is better?
 

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When talking about vaping used for a smoking cessation tool, you have to take into account the fact those who used it back in the day when MTL was still the only available style choice have never had the opportunity to try DTL to stop smoking, as DTL simply wasn't an available option back then. What knocks me unconscious is that these self-defined experts, despite having never tried DTL to stop smoking, are insisting on offering their gratuitous advice AGAINST the whole idea of using a quality DTL setup to stop smoking, especially in view of the facts:
  • I had been smoking 16-17 normal cigarettes per day for more than 20 years
  • I never had the intention to quit smoking, and I kept delaying my decision to give vaping a real try until only 2 years ago BECAUSE HARSHNESS
  • DTL with advanced handmade coils in an RDA like I previously described made me spontaneously abruptly stop smoking
  • I experienced no real cravings
  • I kept a box of cigarettes standing right next to my mod, yet, despite this, grabbing a cigarette never actually even crossed my mind. EVER
 

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Welcome @cathouse. Where abouts in East Texas. I have a bunch of family all over those parts. Do hope you can quit smoking and stay quit. You have received some good advice already, a good low wattage MTL setup will likely do the trick for you.
 

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Funny it’s usually the mtl crowd I see “stigmatized “

Can we maybe get to helping the op solve their issue instead of playing whose vape is better?
I am not stigmatizing the MTL crowd. I am merely making common observations about a true significant part of that crowd, its behavior.
 

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, a good low wattage MTL setup will likely do the trick for you.
and, well, this latest experience is rapidly becoming "like deja vu all over again."
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...so, in answer to the OP's question, doomed probably yes of course, because the majority of those who fail are waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay too closed minded to even have tried a real decent DTL setup from what I have seen, and, I thoroughly blame all the MTL zealotry that goes on everywhere, complete with the accompanying stigmatization of those who aren't too afraid to tell ya nope, I'm willing to bet both shoes you haven't seriously tried even by far.
Why the hell did you even join this thread??? I don't want your shoes, they're probably as full of shit as you are. FU. DTL my ASS.

To EVERYONE ELSE who replied with supportive, encouraging, helpful comments & questions -- THANK YOU!!!
 

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Why the hell did you even join this thread??? I don't want your shoes, they're probably as full of shit as you are. FU. DTL my ASS.

To EVERYONE ELSE who replied with supportive, encouraging, helpful comments & questions -- THANK YOU!!!
With that kind of attitude, you kind of deserve to be doomed, as I never said DTL will solve your problems, just suggesting that it MIGHT do that. (Based on my own personal experience, that is, it did solve my problem, which appeared like it could very well be the exact same problem as yours, i.e., I used to think vaping was harshness galore so vaping wasn't for me, until finally, 2 years ago I found out for myself it doesn't have to be that way so, good luck, and, thank you for proving my point re obvious stigmatization I guess........)
 

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To the op.. are you using all the same brand of liquid?
Sorry for not answering you (and MrMeowgie) earlier. Just since October I've bought & tried a ton of different liquids including at least one flavor each from Naked100, NKD100Salts, Halo, Black Note, Vape Wild, Mt. Baker, Ripe Vapes, Vapetasia, Cuttwood, Space Jam, Oregon Vapors, Mr Salt E, 13th Floor Elevapors, Voltage Vapor, Glas, and VGOD. In all sorts of PG/VG ratios and nic strengths from 3-18mg freebase up to 25-50mg salts.

I've been trying to explain my situation, but it's just maddening that something I'm using or doing wrong is tearing up the roof of my mouth. It's definitely not caused by lack of effort or motivation.

Geez, I gotta log off again. Hopefully I'll be back online tomorrow sometime.
 

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Sorry for not answering you (and MrMeowgie) earlier. Just since October I've bought & tried a ton of different liquids including at least one flavor each from Naked100, NKD100Salts, Halo, Black Note, Vape Wild, Mt. Baker, Ripe Vapes, Vapetasia, Cuttwood, Space Jam, Oregon Vapors, Mr Salt E, 13th Floor Elevapors, Voltage Vapor, Glas, and VGOD. In all sorts of PG/VG ratios and nic strengths from 3-18mg freebase up to 25-50mg salts.

I've been trying to explain my situation, but it's just maddening that something I'm using or doing wrong is tearing up the roof of my mouth. It's definitely not caused by lack of effort or motivation.

Geez, I gotta log off again. Hopefully I'll be back online tomorrow sometime.
The first possibilities that come to mind are:
-Overpowered for your coil - ie 1 ohm at 50w
-To much pg
-The flavoring - lemon and cinnamon in particular can be harsh
-An allergy to pg or vg
-The metal you are using - nickel has been known to be harsh for some, any metal can be
- could be as simple as too high a nic
-if it were all the same brand I would say that particular nic, the wife and I just ran into some they was so harsh we trashed it.
 

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The solution to that problem is often pretty easy. Forget about pod systems and accept that chain vaping on an RDA with advanced handmade coils and 4.5mg/ml-5mg/ml high VG juice to produce a dense, wet vape works a fuck ton better if harshness is your enemy so, in answer to the OP's question, doomed probably yes of course, because the majority of those who fail are waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay too closed minded to even have tried a real decent DTL setup from what I have seen, and, I thoroughly blame all the MTL zealotry that goes on everywhere, complete with the accompanying stigmatization of those who aren't too afraid to tell ya nope, I'm willing to bet both shoes you haven't seriously tried even by far.
It is for me a sensitivity to the nic. I do not want to step on the OP's thread so I will try to be brief. I have and use a og noisy cricket often. I have an avid lyfe tube. Regulated devices up to 300 watts with the right batteries. Rda's, rta's, and subohm tanks. I diy and do simple coil builds, paralell, twisted, and round. I have coils from zephyr also. I am capable to provide myself about any vape option. I am just sensitive to nic. I love vaping of all types and styles. I am getting better at diy and have a couple of imo very good recipies. I use Nude 100mg nic in pg. I have been blessed with several juices from pif and trades, also have a buddy that workes at a b&m. So I have access to many brands and flavors. So my options are wide open and I have been enjoying my vape going on 2 years now. I learned so much here at VU I am gteatfull to all for being part of this amazing forum. All being said I can not change the fact that I am sensitive to nic. Wish it was not true but it is the only possibility. I can tank a couple juices at 6 but not many. I can pod vape nic salt at 30 if I push to tolerate coughing violently for the first 10-15 pulls. Slowly my throat will "break in" and I can then pull somewhat comfortably. The next day my throat is painful and I need to start over. I can vape 3 comfortably all the time. So back to the patch idea. What does everyone think? Ideas, concerns, recomendations? Please. Peace and love to all. Sorry so long. Frustrated and need to put the smokes down completely. Thank you.
 

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It is for me a sensitivity to the nic. I do not want to step on the OP's thread so I will try to be brief. I have and use a og noisy cricket often. I have an avid lyfe tube. Regulated devices up to 300 watts with the right batteries. Rda's, rta's, and subohm tanks. I diy and do simple coil builds, paralell, twisted, and round. I have coils from zephyr also. I am capable to provide myself about any vape option. I am just sensitive to nic. I love vaping of all types and styles. I am getting better at diy and have a couple of imo very good recipies. I use Nude 100mg nic in pg. I have been blessed with several juices from pif and trades, also have a buddy that workes at a b&m. So I have access to many brands and flavors. So my options are wide open and I have been enjoying my vape going on 2 years now. I learned so much here at VU I am gteatfull to all for being part of this amazing forum. All being said I can not change the fact that I am sensitive to nic. Wish it was not true but it is the only possibility. I can tank a couple juices at 6 but not many. I can pod vape nic salt at 30 if I push to tolerate coughing violently for the first 10-15 pulls. Slowly my throat will "break in" and I can then pull somewhat comfortably. The next day my throat is painful and I need to start over. I can vape 3 comfortably all the time. So back to the patch idea. What does everyone think? Ideas, concerns, recomendations? Please. Peace and love to all. Sorry so long. Frustrated and need to put the smokes down completely. Thank you.

Using a patch may work using zero nic in your ejuice.
Worth a shot right?
I think as long as you are dual using( cigs and vaping) you will keep coughing when vaping- my hubby dual uses and always coughs.
from an article I read

Another interesting suggestion that might explain coughing in people who stopped smoking but started vaping is related to cilia regrowth. Cilia, or the hair-like formation in the respiratory tract, could regrow when one quits smoking, which theoretically could cause coughing after the first vape.

https://vapingdaily.com/what-is-vaping/vape-cough/

Try to drink plenty of water, it helps since vaping seems so dry. I like menthol juices or Peppermint juices when I have throat irritation.
 

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Welcome from another in Eastish Texas. Quitting cigarettes is a red headed bitch. You are not alone. Most all of us have had one problem or another vaping until we finally found what works for us and unfortunately that gets rather expensive. I don't know of two people on this forum that vape the exact same way.

I don't have any answers as to what's causing your issues but I hope you don't give up. I myself am on my third and most successful attempt at vaping. For me it was DTL, but that's not what's best for everyone. Good luck and keep fighting.

Not sure where you are in East Texas, but if your any where near Houston I'd be happy to show you my gear and juices and see if one of them may work for you.
 

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Adding to what Snapdragon said, I've seen several people say that they had issues with their mouth getting really sore, even almost blistering. Quitting smoking can really take a toll on your body, physically. Toxins will play a number. There's a lot of stuff in cigarettes that you detox from. Not saying this is the answer, just a possibility.

Having read through this, I feel so badly for you Cat. What a struggle! I hope you find the relief somewhere.

Ever consider oil pulling?
 

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This is very interesting. Whenever I got my first start in vaping on an eGo ecig and buying 18mg nic from a B&M I had a very similar issue.

I went into the eLeaf 30w stick with a sub ohm tank. Ordered juice from an online vendor and I was better. I had the same type issues in the roof of my mouth.

Looking back I'm thinking it was the MTL vs DL vape causing this. I went on to try a few new flavors at the B&M that just didn't taste right after about a few ml into it. Thinking it was the nic throwing things off since at that point I was around a 12mg nic user and the vape shop was at 14mg.

I personally would go with a DL with the atty fully open on the airflow (takes things off the roof of your mouth). Drop nic (since this can be a mild irritant if the nic is bad), sub ohm around 0.50ish for flavor around 20-30w. Adjust that as needed. Try using another juice that hasn't necessarily sat in a store for no telling how long.

I'm thinking the vaping directed straight to this area is causing the issue along with the nic. Open up the air so it will be more cool.

I use Biotene toothpaste at night over my morning Pro Enamel. I also use Biotene mouthwash religiously during the day and after brushing my teeth. Dental care is crucial in vaping as it will lead to dry mouth. Which doesn't help your case. As others have mentioned use salty warm water. Tea tree oil is great as well for things if this nature as well.

Only other issues I've faced was PG itchiness and a sore throat if I tried to dual use, if I slipped during the day. If I even had one it would give me a terrible sore throat.

Hope you get some relief. ...:)
 

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When I switched in 2012 I used a patch for the first week or two.

You have to remember, the patch is now recommended to smokers even if they "slip" (smoke while on the patch) so I don't think vaping with a patch would be an issue.

There are companies who make sub ohm nic salts so you could get a 6mg in nic salt and it would feel like less than a 3mg in regular eliquid.
 

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It sounds like you are getting spit back hitting the roof of your mouth in some of the posts but just juice irritation in others can't really tell what's going on.

If it is hot juice hitting the roof of your mouth, that is usually wattage too low for the chosen coil.
If it is a rebuildable, which I don't think you are using... the coil is too high or not enough cotton in the coil or both. Too low wattage can also be an issue. Boiling the juice, not vaporizing it.

DTL to me is a cooler more robust & fulfilling vape. Don't rule it out until you've tried it. I also enjoy MTL at 12mg but I usually vape a restricted DTL with salt nic at 5mg (you don't need a DTL atomizer airflow fully opened, Recurve is fabulous restricted DTL).
Salt nic is also a smoother less irritating juice that gets the nic satisfaction to you faster. I chain vape less with it and higher nic content is smoother. I can't DTL regular 5mg nic juice but I can salt nic.
 
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Me? I'm basically a reclusive hermit, retired, and live in small town with a house full of cats. ...

On the juice side of the ledger, shades of tobacco flavors are my preference for an ADV. I'm confident of not having any PG/VG allergy-type issues, stay well hydrated, and have experimented with lots of different brands, VG/PG ratios, nicotine levels, nic salts, and regular freebase. As for gear, I'm definitely not chasing clouds and have never used sub-ohm coils or gone higher than maybe mid-teen watts.

It probably sounds like I'm merely venting but I truly am looking to hear your experiences/advice/suggestions/opinions/comments and will attempt to answer your questions to me. Am I the only one in the world who could chain smoke analogs all day long but can't physically handle more than a few hours (sometimes only a few minutes) with a vape device? I have a drawer full of replacement coils, know how to properly prime them, and when to change them out.
Vaping didn't work for me until I started using natural flavorings. I couldn't tolerate the synthetic flavorings as they made me feel ill and made my tongue hurt. Maybe you are similar to me.
PM me and I will be happy to send you some of the natural NET tobacco extract that I use for you to test.
 

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I'm not sure if Halo even lists their ratios, but I'm thinking this Fusion is really their 70/30 "High VG" unflavored juice and not 100% VG. I've only used it a couple of times to either lower a high nic juice or adjust a High PG liquid.

I noticed that the Buck Naked you mentioned earlier is sold as 70% PG. Same stuff you remembered? Think it'll be on the harsh side?
Was not to me at lower wattages used for MTL.
And if I remember correctly was 70 PG.
I actually liked it better at lower flavor concentrations though and mixed the 12 mg with 50/50 PG/VG of equal volume and got 6 mg.
The main reason I recommended it was that it was decent tobacco juice and I could vape it with no adverse reactions.

I am all about hypo allergenic ejuice now.
 

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Vaping didn't work for me until I started using natural flavorings. I couldn't tolerate the synthetic flavorings as they made me feel ill and made my tongue hurt. Maybe you are similar to me.
PM me and I will be happy to send you some of the natural NET tobacco extract that I use for you to test.

Have you tried flavorconcentrates.com? They have some good natural flavorings.
I really liked their blueberry.
 

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@cathouse, I saw that you PIF'd all your gear. I do hate all you've gone through, and wish you the best. If we can be of help to you, in the future, please come see us.

Best to you. :hug:

Same from here.

I guess this is pretty much a dead thread if cathouse piffed all his gear...

or some of us could continue to fuss about vaping styles and such :blah:
 

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Hey, everybody, I feel bad for not replying here more often. It's just that nothing much has changed and I've also been trying to spend some more time away from this computer. Went all day yesterday & this morning without vaping (so my mouth could heal up a little) but I plan on giving it another go later today or definitely tomorrow. Even got some new juice in today's vape mail.

Somebody earlier asked about a dentist. My last appointment was only on day 2 of this episode back in October so it wasn't a main point of discussion then. She noticed some irritation but didn't really think it was an allergic reaction because only the roof of my mouth was affected, not cheeks, gums, or tongue. Weird. Just like me.

Anyway, I can't tell you all how much I appreciate all your time & effort to help me! I'm not gonna quit trying, OK!
 

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Hey, everybody, I feel bad for not replying here more often. It's just that nothing much has changed and I've also been trying to spend some more time away from this computer. Went all day yesterday & this morning without vaping (so my mouth could heal up a little) but I plan on giving it another go later today or definitely tomorrow. Even got some new juice in today's vape mail.

Somebody earlier asked about a dentist. My last appointment was only on day 2 of this episode back in October so it wasn't a main point of discussion then. She noticed some irritation but didn't really think it was an allergic reaction because only the roof of my mouth was affected, not cheeks, gums, or tongue. Weird. Just like me.

Anyway, I can't tell you all how much I appreciate all your time & effort to help me! I'm not gonna quit trying, OK!

so not as bad as my reaction to most flavorings. But still sucks.
My entire mouth gets seriously inflamed and puffy. And throat and lungs as well.
And total loss of taste for days.
Can still smell but zero taste.
 

cathouse

Member For 1 Year
@cathouse, I saw that you PIF'd all your gear. I do hate all you've gone through, and wish you the best. If we can be of help to you, in the future, please come see us.

Best to you. :hug:
Oh, NO, I still have plenty of gear to keep trying!!!

I did just PIF two Innokin Zenith starter kits (and some extra juice) but the arsenal still contains Aspire Zelos 2.0 with N2S, iStick 30w + Nauty Mini, a couple of Smok pod systems, and my favorite so far -- the GeekVape Flint. Oh yeah, and several hundred ml's of juice.
 

cathouse

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Was not to me at lower wattages used for MTL.
And if I remember correctly was 70 PG.
I actually liked it better at lower flavor concentrations though and mixed the 12 mg with 50/50 PG/VG of equal volume and got 6 mg.
The main reason I recommended it was that it was decent tobacco juice and I could vape it with no adverse reactions.

I am all about hypo allergenic ejuice now.
tbh, I never was able to get any of that Buck Naked. Believe me, I tried several different times, but Electric Tobacconist's checkout kept crashing on me. Still, I've picked up a few other tobacco flavors and a bunch of custardy liquids from other places.
 

The Cromwell

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tbh, I never was able to get any of that Buck Naked. Believe me, I tried several different times, but Electric Tobacconist's checkout kept crashing on me. Still, I've picked up a few other tobacco flavors and a bunch of custardy liquids from other places.
Offer stands on my sending you some of my hypo allergenic DIY juice.
Just PM me if interested.
 

cathouse

Member For 1 Year
Oh, NO, I still have plenty of gear to keep trying!!!

I did just PIF two Innokin Zenith starter kits (and some extra juice) but the arsenal still contains Aspire Zelos 2.0 with N2S, iStick 30w + Nauty Mini, a couple of Smok pod systems, and my favorite so far -- the GeekVape Flint. Oh yeah, and several hundred ml's of juice.

Forgot to mention that I also have the Halo G6 cigalike and am sorta fond of my two Aspire Nautilus AIO pod systems (except refilling them is a true PITA). I've got another Flint Kit (backup) arriving next week.

I'd offered those two Innokin Kits to folks reading this thread in a posting of mine on Thursday. There were no takers so I listed them in PIF this morning.
 

cathouse

Member For 1 Year
Offer stands on my sending you some of my hypo allergenic DIY juice.
Just PM me if interested.
Hey, man, I remember your generous offer! Honestly, I kinda just want to wait until I feel somewhat more confident that I'll eventually be able to make the switch before asking you to go to all that trouble & expense. I'm just so afraid that I am the one in a million+ who's either too wimpy or has an unsolvable Dr. House-type mouth condition. All your posts have been/are a tremendous help! You ain't "batshit crazy" at all...
 

The Cromwell

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Hey, man, I remember your generous offer! Honestly, I kinda just want to wait until I feel somewhat more confident that I'll eventually be able to make the switch before asking you to go to all that trouble & expense. I'm just so afraid that I am the one in a million+ who's either too wimpy or has an unsolvable Dr. House-type mouth condition. All your posts have been/are a tremendous help! You ain't "batshit crazy" at all...
Not a big expense. I Keep about 400-500 ml of Cromwells custard made at all times and have over 60 ml of Cromwells Camel made.
Costs me around $2 or less to make 120 ml.
Just need to know an address and how strong you want the nic.

You would actually be the first I have sent my galaxy wide famous juice to.
Have piffed out vape gear and flavorings but no made juice.
 

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