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She was not scared of the gun,” Reese added. “[She] was concerned about his T-shirt.” SERIOUSLY???

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Getting my first super tuck to go with the 40cal, have heard nothing but good about them should be here this week..... can’t wait!

This is my first kydex as I have used leather for my 1911 but thought I would give this a try with the XDM and not have to carry a spare clip.
 

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I have a Glock 19, brandy new w/case. But I'm happy with my .38sp and Keltec 32. Just sayin'.
I still don't have my Barbie AR finished yet. The stock and barrel pink's don't match. Ugh!
 

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A gun that's small and light enough so you're actually willing to carry it is always better than a bigger, heavier, higher capacity one that you'd leave at home.

Absolutely. A 9mm is an excellent defense round. A Glock 19 is an excellent weapon for defense. My wife fell in love with the Kimber Micro 9 since it fit her hand better. 7 rounds is more than enough to stop an offense against a person. She has several mags for when it isnt. Train with it like you will fight with it.
 

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That's why I like my other two. I had a Baretta .38 years ago and used to wear a shoulder holster under my suits. I was thin then. The barrel would poke out of my back when not positioned properly. I held an open house for one of my listings and a husband gave me a look when he walked by me. On his way out he patted me on the back/barrel, looked at me and nodded his head as though to say Yes. Good Girl.
 

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Love my single stack Glock 36. One of my friends always gives me a hard time for only having a 6+1. I'm like, yea well if I ever have to use it and I cant stop someone with 7 .45 rounds another 3 or 4 isn't going to matter.....lol
 

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HI there all.
SORRY FOR THE CRAP CELL PHONE PICS.
I'm lucky enough to be able to shoot at home , no range needed so I can walk outside and play in my own back yard.
anyway too numerous to list but if ya need to know what they are I will tell ya ,,,lol.

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Picked up leather work after a 30 year layoff. OK, made a wallet, now what.
Custom holster makers don't charge enough.
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So now what? I want to make a carved possibles bag for muzzleloader. It's going to be worse than the wallet with carving and a lot more stitching than the holster.
I already made a pigskin bag for my balls.
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After the possibles bag I'm thinking IWB for AR15.
 

Gavlan

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Nice, mine is a 73 mdl and you are right the 45-70 is a beast of a round .
I shoot a lot of different caliber guns and the 45-70 is one of the best.
I also reload so no Black 'n' Blue shoulders anymore.
 

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Some new goodies added to the collection.

Glock 43 (My newish EDC)
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My $16 Evidence Room Auction buy (Pheonix Arms HP22A)

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Some new AR's:

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Sawed up the Winchester 1300 I had, 28" Barrel down to 18.1"(Because the ATF are assholes). I cut the ribbing down and filed/polished it all afterwards...cant even tell anymore that it was cut.


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Id like to share some things I've written elsewhere as some people actually believe what they are told and shown and do not do any individual research, leading them to propagate the same misinformation elsewhere..if enough people tell a lie, it becomes truth.

Studies on Firearms and Homicide surveys worldwide.
They start off with countries with largely different population sizes. The google charts, and other studies do the ratio by a certain amount of people, though the area and type of people within the area matter just as much. These along with others are small variables that matter greatly when conducting a survey like this and its pretty easy to manipulate them to fit your needs, especially when your needs are also parroted by corporations that control other news/media organizations that all work together to push the same narrative. They dont point out that those surveys are not to up to date (about 4-6 years old info) and that the USA has had a steady decline of murders/deaths overall (including firearms) while the countries they point towards with positivity have had a significant increase in every negative aspect year after year.

Whats funny is the media and news have skyrocketed purchases and owners of firearms in the USA but the decline in violent crime and murder is still there. London just surpassed the Homicide rate of one of our worst cities (NYC) and that's with strict firearm laws. https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/28652-londons-rising-murder-rate-raises-questions-about-gun-control

You may think that the US is a terrible place to live due to reporting of the media but we aren't being injected with thousands of immigrants per month that are destroying the property/business we have, raping our women and children, setting fires far and wide...while also throwing acid into citizens faces. There are now large areas in each of those Countries(Countries that accepted the Immigration Pact by the UN) where your not allowed to go into (No Go Zones) and will most likely be assaulted, raped, and/or killed if you do, your offenders will not be penalized for it. Citizens who are raped or assaulted are learning that they (the real victims) will ultimately become the ones with penalties/fines if they speak out and demand justice for the assaults, as the native citizens are treated as sub-human. Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe. Germans are now leaving Germany in droves. 1 million Germans have fled since the savages began entering Germany. As the invaders continue to kick in doors and chase the families out of their own homes, more and more Germans will leave. France is in the same situation as are all of the European countries who have taken in millions of illegal savages. Welfare alone is going to destroy all of these nations that are allowing this to happen, not to mention Healthcare or that the immigrants are not assimilating and living there own culture and laws in their new place of residence. Check out "The Iconoclast" Channel on Youtube.

Call me a racist, I dare you. Ill shove so much reporting and data down your throat to prove that facts are facts.

Guns arent the issue and Its stunning if you believe they are. Guns are an object and have no control over the person wielding them, they are nothing more than a tool. The numbers being pushed around by the media are manipulated to get you to believe they are more often than they actually are and more dangerous.

In the USA where 400 MILLION Firearms are in the Hands of 100 Million Gun Owners (1/3 of the US Population) you would think that there would be more than 12K of Death by firearms per year, especially when most household and daily use objects kill many more times the amount of people per year. Most of that 12K of Deaths are from Gang Violence, Police Kills, and Accidental Deaths, less than a 3rd of those deaths are from Legal gun owners using them against others. That kind of percentage is insane when the media constantly floats "Gun Violence" (nonsensical term) so often. Hammers, Fists, Knives, Chainsaws, Toothpicks, Cosmetics (Make-Up), Food, Cars, Alcohol, Smoking all kill many more people per year than all firearms combined and Doctors are the 3rd leading cause of Death in the USA (250K) but you don't see any of the movements the firearms industry sees to ban them or regulate/restrict them.

Do you fear that you will perish getting a physical by your doctor? An intense rage and emotional outburst in terror if you have to get a checkup? Most likely not as there aren't any media to strike fear into your heart that doctors kill more people than almost anything else around you. Now imagine if the news/media reported every death by a doctors hand every day all year long for 2+ decades. People would have that type of fear in their spines for doctors, this has been done to firearms and firearm owners since the mid 70's and for what ever reason the average gun owner receives the blame for any one person's criminal actions.

What is also crazy is that people think police should have firearms and not gun owners, they fear gun owners but studies have shown that firearm permit holders are 30% more law-abiding than the police. Guns save 250K-3 Million people per year in defensive use against violent crimes (Rape, Muggings, Robbery), many times not even firing a shot.

Is there any other object that SAVES so many people per year? That takes such a small percentage of lives? That is as demonized as firearms? Now on to Mass Killings, these people are MURDERERS...and murder is against the law, yet they are still doing it, they use all types of methods to commit these atrocious behaviors but when its not firearms its usually not reported by the media.

There have been 38 Mass Killings with Knives alone since 2006 and the average death count is much higher than the average death count of firearm-related Mass Killings. There are many more with Bombs (Already regulated heavily and Illegal to own without permits), cars, baseball bats, and other objects but when have you seen a report within the USA about these Mass Killings? There is a agenda and a narrative, whether you believe so or not, there is no other reason for the selective reporting of information. They paint a terrible picture on the media that certain guns are worse than others, some are "military assault weapons" (false made up term). They say the AR15 is one of them but the AR15 is not military and nor does it have select fire. Its a tactical looking hunting rifle and have been used in just a handful of Mass Killings, most are committed by handguns and rifles that shoot no more than 5 rounds before reloading. The firearm isnt important, the persons intent, mental stability, and nature is, especially when every Mass Killing has a trend that can easily been seen if you look. All Mass Murderers have been medicated with Psychotropic medications, have mental instability issues. They go to areas with little resistance (Gun Free Zones) that are largely populated, why restricting the access of more people to firearms will only lead to more defenseless victims.

" A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character,) or by millions, calling themselves a government." - Lysander Spooner

The Constitution and our Founding Fathers wanted us to be AS armed as the State, that we should have any bearable arms we could want, as a deterrent to tyranny. Civilians owned Warships fitted with explosive and multiple cannons, the Fathers contracted to build the first automatic rife but couldn't afford it...and they were doing it for the people. There were a slew of "advanced" firearms during the time: Puckle gun, Belton Flintlock, Chinese rocket arrows, Hand cannons, Chinese lever crossbow, Duckfoot pistol, German wheel-lock rifles, Rampart guns, Volley guns, Death battery, German axe pistols. They had rifles that carried a handful of rounds also like the Girandoni Rifle that held 22-25 shots. (Mag limit argument). To suggest that the same mentality that civilians couldn't own any small arms today and that the Constitution didn't cover them is preposterous, do you believe that they didn't envision that technology wouldn't advance? If you don't agree with these claims then Free Speech is also limited to goose-quill pen and an iron gall or carbon-based ink if that argument is consistent.

Question. Do you think that I or anyone else that has never committed a Felony, that is Law Abiding, should be able to own fully automatic rifles? (post-1986)
If your answer is no, why? How is it any different than a normal rifle? Does fire rate really make any difference in how you operate a rifle or the intent you have with it? There have been less than 5 reports a Fully Automatic Firearm has been used in any crime in the last 100 years according to the FBI, 3 of which were owned and used in "Passion of Love" Crimes by POLICE OFFICERS.

There are almost 600,000 Registered Fully Automatic Rifles in the hands of Citizens today and not one outside of those 5, have ever been used in a negative fashion.

Please state any data you may have that may give more reason than shock value as to why a Law Abiding Citizen shouldn't be able to own a "Machine Gun".

FBI Study on Firearms during Obama's Presidency.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

I had to delete alot of what I wrote. I guess 10,000 characters is the post limit size :D
 
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Id like to share some things Ive written elsewhere as some people actually believe what they are told and shown and do not do any individual research, leading them to propagate the same misinformation elsewhere....leading to a well traveled belief system that empowers an agenda to disarm people.

Studies on Firearms and Homicide surveys worldwide.
They start off with countries with largely different population sizes. The google charts, and other studies do the ratio by a certain amount of people, though the area and type of people within the area matter just as much. These along with others are small variables that matter greatly when conducting a survey like this and its pretty easy to manipulate them to fit your needs, especially when your needs are also parroted by corporations that also control other news/media organizations that all work together pushing the same narrative. They also dont point out that those surveys are not to up to date and that the USA has had a steady decline of murders/deaths overall (including firearms) while the countries they pointed out have had a significant increase in every aspect year after year.

Whats funny is the media and news have skyrocketed purchases and owners of firearms in the USA but the decline in violent crime and murder is still there. London just surpassed the Homicide rate of one of our worst cities (NYC)...and thats with strict firearm laws. https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/28652-londons-rising-murder-rate-raises-questions-about-gun-control

You may think that the US is a terrible place to live due to reporting and media but we arent being injected with thousands of immigrants per months that are destroying the property/business we have, raping our women and children, setting fires far and wide and throwing acid into citizens faces. There are now large areas in each of those countries where your not allowed to go into (No Go Zones) and will most likely be assaulted, raped, and/or killed if you do, your offenders will not be penalized for it. Citizens who are raped or assaulted are learning that they (the real victims) will ultimately become the one with penalties and fines if they speak out or demand justice for these assaults. Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe. Germans are now leaving Germany in droves. 1 million Germans have fled since the savages began entering Germany. As the invaders continue to kick in doors and take over homes and chase the families out of their own homes, more and more Germans will leave. France is in the same situation as are all of the European countries who have taken in millions of illegal savages. Welfare alone is going to destroy all of these nations that are allowing this to happen, not to mention Healthcare or that the immigrants are not assimilating and living there own culture and laws in their new place of residence.

Call me a racist, I dare you...Ill shove so much reporting and data down your throat to prove that facts are facts that you'll wish you never commented.

Guns arent the issue and Its stunning if you believe they are. Guns are an object and have no control over the person wielding them, they are nothing more than a tool and the numbers pushed around be the media are manipulated to get you to believe they are more often than they actually are and more dangerous. In the USA where 400 MILLION Firearms are in the Hands of 100 Million Gun Owners (2/3 of the US Population) you would think that there would be more than 12K of Death by firearms per year, especially when most household and daily use objects kill many more times the amount of people per year. Most of that 12K of Deaths are from Gang Violence, Police Kills, and Accidental Deaths, less than a 3rd of those deaths are from Legal gun owners using them against others. That kind of percentage is insane when the media constantly floats "Gun Violence" (nonsensical term) so often. Hammers, Fists, Knives, Chainsaws, Toothpicks, Cosmetics (Make Up), Food, Cars, Alcohol, Smoking all kill many more people per year than all firearms combined and Doctors are the 3rd leading cause of Death in the USA (250K) but you dont see any of the movements the firearms industry get to ban them or regulate/restrict them.

What is also crazy is that people think police should have firearms and not gun owners, they fear gun owners but studies have shown that firearm permit holders are 30% more law abiding than the police. Guns save 250K-3 Million people per year in defensive use against violent crimes (Rape, Muggings, Robbery), many times not even firing a shot. Is there any other object that SAVES so many people per year? That takes such a small percentage of lives? That is as demonized as firearms? Now on to Mass Killings, these people are MURDERERS...and murder is against the law...yet they are still doing it, they use all types of methods to commit these atrocious behaviors but when its not firearms its usually not reported by the media.

There have been 38 Mass Killings with Knives alone since 2006 and the average death count is much higher than the average death count of firearm related Mass Killings. There are many more with Bombs (Already regulated heavily and Illegal to own without permits), cars, baseball bats, and other objects but when have you seen a report within the USA about these Mass Killings? There is a agenda and a narrative, whether you believe so or not, there is no other reason for the selective reporting of information. They paint a terrible picture on the media that certain guns are worse than others, some are "military assault weapons" (false made up term). They say the AR15 is one of them but the AR15 is not military and nor does it have select fire. Its a tactical looking hunting rifle and have been used in just a handful of Mass Killings, most are committed by handguns and rifles that shoot no more than 5 rounds before reloading. The firearm isnt important, the persons intent, mental stability, and nature is, especially when every Mass Killing has a trend that can easily been seen if you look. All Mass Murderers have been medicated with Psychotropic medications, have mental instability issues. They go to areas with little resistance (Gun Free Zones) that are largely populated, why restricting the access of more people to firearms will only lead to more defenseless victims.

" A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character,) or by millions, calling themselves a government." - Lysander Spooner

The Constitution and our Founding Fathers wanted us to be AS armed as the State, that we should have any bearable arms we could want, as a deterrent to tyranny. Civilians owned Warships fitted with explosive and multiple cannons, the Fathers contracted to build the first automatic rife but couldnt afford it...and they were doing it for the people. There were a slew of "advanced" firearms during the time: Puckle gun, Belton Flintlock, Chinese rocket arrows, Hand cannons, Chinese lever crossbow, Duckfoot pistol, German wheel-lock rifles, Rampart guns, Volley guns, Death battery, German axe pistols. They had rifles that carried a handful of rounds also like the Girandoni Rifle that held 22-25 shots. (Mag limit argument). To suggest that the same mentality that civilians couldnt own any small arms today and that the Constitution didnt cover them is preposterous, do you believe that they didnt envision that technology wouldnt advance? If you dont agree with these claims then Free Speech is also limited to goose-quill pen and an iron gall or carbon-based ink if that argument is consistent.

Question. Do you think that I or anyone else that has never committed a Felony, is Law Abiding should be able to own fully automatic rifles? (post 1986)
If your answer is no, why? How is it any different than a normal rifles? Does fire rate really make any different in how you operate a rifle or the intent you have with it? There have been less than 5 times a Fully Automatic Firearm have been used in any crime in the last 100 years according to the FBI, 3 of which were owned and used in "Passion of Love" Crimes by POLICE OFFICERS.
There are almost 600,000 Registered Fully Automatic Rifles in the hands of Citizens today and not once has ever been used in a negative fashion.

Please state any data you may have that may give more reason than shock value as to why a Law Abiding Citizen shouldnt be able to own a "Machine Gun".

FBI Study on Firearms during Obama's Presidency.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF


Our guns are the only thing that keep us from becoming Venezuela, or North Korea or China. Once we can no longer defend ourselves from the government we all become slaves. Well said @raymo2u.
 

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Palmetto State Armory (PSA) PA-10. 6.5 Creedmoor. Heavy Stainless Steel barrel upgrade. UTG tactical sniper bipod and flashlight mount. Magpul M-lock handguard, precision shooter stock, PMAG, and Combat Grip. Sig Sauer Whiskey3 3-9x40 scope with Butler Creek flip up covers. Nikon Picatinny scope mounts. Blackhawk Storm single point sling. And Surefire Z2 Combat light with LED upgrade.
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Is this okay? I read the rules and didn't see anything about firearms.

I know I'm not the only wackjob bigot who clings to my guns!
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S&W m&p sheild 9mm & Taurus millennium g2 pro


Screw You.
I'm From Texas.
I think you should apologize by sending those to me right now. God will understand.
 

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I havent found a 40rnd Window'd Mag so I decided I would make one myself Here are the results:

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Went out this past weekend to get some rounds downrange to test out the newer toys.


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I really like this AR Pistol, coupled with a fake suppressor...the fireballs are insane (no Im taking the picture)


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Whats funny is the media and news have skyrocketed purchases and owners of firearms in the USA but the decline in violent crime and murder is still there. London just surpassed the Homicide rate of one of our worst cities (NYC) and that's with strict firearm laws.

if you are going to talk about selective facts
read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

neither nyc or london make the list


according to this

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/na...n_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html#1

nyc doesn't even make the top 30 in the usa


ha found it

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/12/

= 52nd

while i would not state any of those figures are gospel
they are probably ball park trend correct
 
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if you are going to talk about selective facts
read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

neither nyc or london make the list


according to this

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/na...n_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html#1

nyc doesn't even make the top 30 in the usa


ha found it

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/12/

= 52nd

while i would not state any of those figures are gospel
they are probably ball park trend correct

Please watch the video here, its one of the best breakdowns Ive seen yet for the Gun Debate:

Watch this Video for why not to read in to Google Backed Information Troves:

Your sources are also selective and I do not use Wikipedia or any Google backed site as a source as they are all used to "debunk" all things with manipulated facts, like Snopes or Politifact which have been exposed countless times for bias information, skewed research and straight up lies.
https://www.aim.org/aim-column/these-sites-have-been-hit-the-hardest-by-googles-fact-checker/
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/politifact-exposed.php

Anyone can manipulate the information on the wikipedia page if they like and it can stay that way until its notice or someone else who's done their homework changes it or reports it to be verified. Even Left leaning inherently bias institutions have pointed how how credit-less Wikipedia is for information. The sad part is that Google and other sites owned by google is exposing people to this biased information on purpose...like youtube inserting a wiki link when they feel that something posted is wrong or a "conspiracy"....Have you ever seen 1984? Thats where we are going with Google.
https://nypost.com/2013/11/16/dont-trust-anything-on-wikipedia/

Your second link lists rates which includes murders and as mentioned in the very first paragraph of my rant its done by 100K per capita.
They also leave this: "It's important to note that although these cities reflect a high murder rate in 2015, rates for the country overall are still historically low. Murder rates in the U.S. are down significantly from the 1980s and 1990s. Cities with higher murder rates range from large metropolises to smaller cities. Tackling crime and the murder rate in particular is a complex challenge for each city." "Note: The data published here is meant solely to illustrate the relative rates of crime, and not to make assertions about the effectiveness of law enforcement. There are many factors that affect the rate and nature of crime -- such as the degree of urbanization, composition of age groups, economic climate and modes of transportation within an area — which are not considered here. For more information on how to interpret FBI crime data, click here."

Your using mainstream media as a "source" (CBSNews), right there I would jump off the ship but I can also find examples to drive my point across.
Please review the report below to explain my point that per capita analysis with a population range that wide only exemplifies that its the wrong way to account for cities when looking at states, states like my own (Vermont) only have 600K people but the population itself is 90% white and we have some of the lowest violent crime and murder rates per state and per city.
https://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/chicago-not-most-dangerous-city-america/

I like to use a annual reports as demographics change over time and I like to see how violent crime/murder rates change every year, if there were monthly reports as detailed I would use those as well. Using a 5 year+ style breakdown leaves too much in that wouldnt account for population size/violent crime alone - as mentioned WACO was a Government slaughter (ATF +FBI) and it had nothing to do with citizen on citizen crimes.

From my rant above:
"They start off with countries with largely different population sizes. The google charts, and other studies do the ratio by a certain amount of people, though the area and type of people within the area matter just as much. These along with others are small variables that matter greatly when conducting a survey like this and its pretty easy to manipulate them to fit your needs, especially when your needs are also parroted by corporations that control other news/media organizations that all work together to push the same narrative. They dont point out that those surveys are not to up to date (about 4-6 years old info) and that the USA has had a steady decline of murders/deaths overall (including firearms) while the countries they point towards with positivity have had a significant increase in every negative aspect year after year."

Im not sure why you brought up the NYC and London things as me touting them being the worst, I was just making a relative point that the UK has a rapidly growing murder rate....and NYC has a high murder rate. I did not say it was the highest in the nation, it is one of the worst....it wouldnt be included on the surveys if it wasnt.
 
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Preach Ray, excellent information.
I just wish people would see the crap for what it is instead of having a bias towards selective information, if everyone thought critically the "hot topics and controversies" of today wouldnt make it past a smell test. Corruption and degradation of education systems has created this bubble where small insignificant issues are "BIG DEALS" and things that are incredibly important are pushed to the back, slandered, and smeared....like Vaping, Immigration, and Firearms.
No one wants to discuss these issues because people see them through different lenses...lenses consisting of sympathy, empathy, and Political Correctness. All of these "Lenses" need to be dropped permanently or we will go no where as a society and further degrade ourselves into 2 classes (Poor and Rich), where the Poor fight each other and devour each other over non issues that the rich push out into the spotlight. If the people would just see the motives behind all of these issues they could understand its all engineered to be the way it is. People are being taught that everything is a human right, everyone deserves everything because they live, that racism and sexism is inherently holding the population back. At the same time the people stirring the pot constantly are the same people, constantly creating stories and studies formed around subliminal race and sexism bait to make it run in continuity. How many people do you know personally are truly racist or sexist? Im guessing maybe 1 but they are not the standard. They push fallacies like the "Wage Gap", "White Privilege", "Rape Culture", "Gun Violence"....all of which mean to steer the masses to [point fingers at each other and drive us apart. All of these things are easily dismissed looking at individuals of the same circumstance, what seems to be the biggest difference in people is wealth when looking at how they think and live. People with less monetary wealth seem to have have a higher moral standard as they see changes in policies in real time around them while people that are wealthy live in their own bubbles away from the decisions they make for the masses.

I could go on and on about this but it seems more and more people are waking up to whats going on. There are a few channels on youtube I would like to suggest to those that are interested and have a open mind. Even if you disagree, listening to opposing information is how to best hone in your beliefs, or changing your perspective entirely. Bias has no place in truth, it is freeing, and truth holds no leniency to anyone...my guess is this is why debating and opposing views are becoming "trends of hate speech" in college campuses. Try telling anyone on a College campus there is no such thing as Wage Gap, White Privilege, or Rape Culture in the most civil manner and ask any opposing view to a debate - you will be shouted down and pushed out....and this is where we are today. Propaganda and Indoctrination seems to be an effective method, I am terrified that our Nation is filling the prophecy of Idiocracy and this is why I have taken up "writing/debating".

We need to stand up for ourselves ,no one else is going to. We cannot let this country fall to the hands of those that want to see it destroyed, this is the last country with any real freedom (even though it is restricted heavily today). The Silent Majority must wake up and stand their ground or we will be in the same shoes as Australia and the UK. I can only imagine what our grand kids will think of us if we let it slip, we are the last generation that can do something about it.
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being ex services i have a love of firearms in general .. mostly historical but some of the new stuff is truly drool worthy as well
nothing like being on the trigger of a 20mm or stomping the pedal of a 40mm
( but i think nothing beats that kick you get when you stomp a foot pedal hear a merrrp merrrp then the roar of a missile taking off )
some of my attitude is bound to come from disliking light machine guns
everyone i used was just a spray everywhere uncontrollable inaccurate pos
give me a good sniper rifle anyday
sub machine guns i fell in love with
pistols the same
gp rifles ( mostly 7.62 slr's ) meh quite nice but the sights suck hugely
( /my love rant)

i cant say i have seen firearms regulations in any country i think are sane, fair, logical, or worthy
somewhere their must be a good middle ground
( here i had one but my ex when we split said she was worried about it ... woof .. firearms and license gone and stashed in an impenetrable mountain of reviews requests and paperwork all controlled by those that did not want to look like they had falsely over reacted ... so ours suk big time )

but then
i only have to go to a local mall or gathering look and listen and know that some idiots should never be allowed near a firearm
( i was on a range when a supposedly trained female turned around with her finger still pulling the trigger of a 9mm sub machine gun and said ..."mines not working " ... ok so 99.99% chance the dipshit had forgotten the safety ( she did ) but there was also anything else including not pulled quite hard enough as well .. repeats .. some people should never be allowed near a firearm )

so is a scale acceptable
so much paperwork and drs report of mental fitness for a .22, shotgun or bolt action center fire .. so much more for a handgun or semi auto ... so much more again for a collectors licence .. so much more for a carry in public
safe type lockup storage for all to avoid accidentals and burglaries

this is leading to
what would pass for good, sane, fair gun legislation

regulations will change so YOU come up with stuff that will pacify the pacifists without destroying the things we all love to do
how much shit would you go through to keep doing the stuff you love ... and keep out those that should not be allowed anywhere near them
nothing is 100% but some are closer than others



small insignificant issues are "BIG DEALS" and things that are incredibly important are pushed to the back, slandered, and smeared....like Vaping, Immigration, and Firearms.
haa try the insane hate on quadcopters
no matter what country it is they are treated as ticking nukes
yet
they have never killed or seriously injured anyone anytime( from my research i may have missed some insane freak occurrence ) and there are millions of them owned now
if you worry about the peeping tom thing .. then its like firearms .. its not the drone that made them do it, its also a long way from the only way they can do it ... at least you can hear a drone
and they can be really useful scouting the outdoors ( game targets ) for hunters
 
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Let's take Chicago as an example....toughest gun laws in the United States...highest murder rate in the history of our nation the last 4 years running. There are 3.3 million law-abiding gun owners in the USA with 12 trillion rounds of ammunition. If we were the problem; you'd know it by now...

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The left would have you believe that an AR 15 is the most dangerous weapon on the planet. I just read an article (by CNBC nonetheless) of how much damage a bullet from an AR 15 does to the human body. NOW! They failed to cite the caliber tested so I can only assume it was 5.56 NATO or .223 caliber (which are most common among AR 15s). Yes, the bullet is a damaging round in a soft tip or hollow point projectile. It is also damaging in a FMJ round as we used in the Military. HOWEVER! 5.56 NATO in inexperienced hands beyond 250 yards...not very viable caliber to inflict mass casualties. They want to BAN this rifle! My son's deer rifle (Savage Arms Predator 10XP) is a .223 caliber bolt action sniper grade rifle. In my hands; 800 yards: you're a dead man. Now, my AR 10 (larger framed AR 15 variant) is chambered in 6.5mm Creedmoor. With my Vortex Viper Scope mounted, a 100 round drum; mass casualties at 1,200 yards. So is the AR 15 a problem? NO! Intentions are the problem! I have one of the nastiest variations of the AR rifle, and I'm not shooting up schools, shopping centers, and places of worship. The AR 15 isn't a problem. Bad people with bad intentions are! You can ban them and bad people will still have them. But law abiding citizens will no longer be able to defend themselves against those people and murder rates rise even in rural communities like mine. Oh and for you lefty idiots; "AR" stands for "Armalite Rifle" (the company that designed the rifle) not "Assault Rifle ".

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i cant say i have seen firearms regulations in any country i think are sane, fair, logical, or worthy
somewhere their must be a good middle ground
( here i had one but my ex when we split said she was worried about it ... woof .. firearms and license gone and stashed in an impenetrable mountain of reviews requests and paperwork all controlled by those that did not want to look like they had falsely over reacted ... so ours suk big time )

but then
i only have to go to a local mall or gathering look and listen and know that some idiots should never be allowed near a firearm
( i was on a range when a supposedly trained female turned around with her finger still pulling the trigger of a 9mm sub machine gun and said ..."mines not working " ... ok so 99.99% chance the dipshit had forgotten the safety ( she did ) but there was also anything else including not pulled quite hard enough as well .. repeats .. some people should never be allowed near a firearm )

so is a scale acceptable
so much paperwork and drs report of mental fitness for a .22, shotgun or bolt action center fire .. so much more for a handgun or semi auto ... so much more again for a collectors licence .. so much more for a carry in public
safe type lockup storage for all to avoid accidentals and burglaries

this is leading to
what would pass for good, sane, fair gun legislation

regulations will change so YOU come up with stuff that will pacify the pacifists without destroying the things we all love to do
how much shit would you go through to keep doing the stuff you love ... and keep out those that should not be allowed anywhere near them
nothing is 100% but some are closer than others

There is no legislation or regulations/restrictions that would help or do anything other than surrender more citizen's freedom for false sense of security.
I find it insane that people push for gun control and say regulations and restrictions are lawful or even helpful. The Revolution was started over gun control....2A was meant to be absolute, the people as armed as the state, and a "hands off" description to Government Officials....but they dont interpret it that way...our officials need to read the Federalist Papers and look into what the Founders thought and practiced. The supreme court should do the people a favor and do some research before signing anything that infringes a right of their citizenry. Government infringing on the only insurance policy the people have against Government is a Conflict of Interest...there shouldnt be any regulations as intended. The only people those regulations effect are the average citizen who has done nothing wrong, criminals dont follow the law and thats why after 130 years of increasing gun control and legislation/regulation/restrictions/taxing there has been no dramatic positive change. There is not a crime that you can commit with a firearm that is not a crime without the firearm, just about every gun law is unnecessary, if they want to punish criminals then penalties are whats called for....which would not effect those that obey the law.

If everyone was armed and training with a firearm was encouraged with free programs within towns the amount of criminals and crazies would drop off at a rate that has only been seen 300+ years ago....In the first few months to a year there would be a ton of violence...call it righteous violence, as almost all criminals or people with intent to harm others would be dealt with quickly and effectively. Law Enforcement has no Obligation to protect or save anyone, Supreme Court has ruled that in 3 separate court cases....the only protection against baddies is good guys with guns, the more good guys with guns over the area the less bad guys with guns will show their faces or commit crimes. The statistics prove this is a observable pattern across the Nation, especially here in Vermont but there is also a major correlation in demographics.

There is a quote that gives this credence and I dont think its took seriously enough:
An Armed Society is a Polite Society" - Robert A. Heinlein

The Quote is dead accurate. When your at a range with strangers that are all armed to the teeth....do you feel in fear of your life or safer? I feel pretty safe when Im at a range as I know anyone that tries anything will be a board in a blink of an eye. I know most people would see "Guns in everyone's hands" as a dangerous and insane thought but I feel its the reverse when you actually put it under the microscope. People with ill intent or crazies will still get guns no matter what a sheet of stamped paper says, drugs and bombs are banned and yet seen fairly often...especially drugs.

I would rather the Government not give any type of license or permission to own a Firearm. "Permit" Meaning Government Permission, but its already a Inalienable RIGHT...Right meaning you dont need permission, you have it already. I dont know of any other Amendment you would pike and poke at like people do the Second Amendment....The Constitution doesnt grant you rights, it outlines them, even if the Government decides to edit the Constitution those Rights do not change. Government doesn't solve any problem, it creates more that it profits from and gives it more control...

Even social welfare programs were developed to not benefit the people, but to make them dependent on the Government and not allow them to rise out of poverty afterwards. Government has been overreaching on many fronts, from the 1st Amendment to the 4rth on a almost daily basis thanks to its tentacles embedded in social media platforms and big business along with the CIA/NSA/Darpa which are constantly monitoring us and collecting data which is stored indefinitely. If you have every watched the entire series of Marvel Movies recently then the closest thing to our Government is Hydra, especially the direction they went in the Captain America Movies. I have hope for Trump as I see a ton of positive change and resignation of CEO's and Officials/Sealed Indictments floating but until things move forward I wont get my hopes too high. Nothing will change unless there is severe reduction in Government size and funding, until then we are he mighty ants on the hill with the glass borders as our illusions of freedom.

One thing I will say is not to give in to any more restriction, no matter if you do not like the product or type of firearm, none of it ends well if this direction is continued. The "Bumpstock Ban" proposed (still floating) has many consequences for us later within its fine print. It allows the ATF to redefine "fire rate" and "machine gun", which could be used to ban any sort of Semi Auto firearm later. It also allows more accessories and parts to be banned based on looks, materials, part type....which if passed could allow the banning of multiple parts of firearms that allow guns to function, I hope you can see where that can end up in the future if we keep taking California's "common sense" route. Like I said, no matter if you agree with the legislation, hate the product, hate the firearm....DO NOT GIVE IN to ANY Legislation...no matter what, it helps nothing and only hurts us.

We need more Pro-Gun Legislation, We need 2A restored, We need to gain our Power Back as Citizens...not hand them off and expect others to take care of us.
 

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The left would have you believe that an AR 15 is the most dangerous weapon on the planet

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It IS the Most Dangerous Gun, its got 30 Caliber Clipazines, Its terrorist black with a Pistol Grip, its Fully Semiauto Matic, Its got the Shoulder Thingy that Goes Up, and can fire a Hundred Rounds a Minute...Id call that insanely dangerous....you should keep that locked up in a safe within a safe, with a trigger lock, and the ammunition in the other room...Its just common sense, ya' know?
 

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Prime example. 2A says I have the right to keep (its mine and you can't have it) and bear (it's right here on me) arms. Never said anything about "except the store, or the hospital, or my kid's school...I'm apparently not allowed to protect myself or family at those places...our forefathers would already be shooting by now...

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It IS the Most Dangerous Gun, its got 30 Caliber Clipazines, Its terrorist black with a Pistol Grip, its Fully Semiauto Matic, Its got the Shoulder Thingy that Goes Up, and can fire a Hundred Rounds a Minute...Id call that insanely dangerous....you should keep that locked up in a safe within a safe, with a trigger lock, and the ammunition in the other room...Its just common sense, ya' know?
Lmaooooo!

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Prime example. 2A says I have the right to keep (its mine and you can't have it) and bear (it's right here on me) arms. Never said anything about "except the store, or the hospital, or my kid's school...I'm apparently not allowed to protect myself or family at those places...our forefathers would already be shooting by now...

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Doesn't matter what they want to ban. "Shall not be infringed". Plus, it's never, ever been about crime-reduction - it's about disenfranchisement and crippling/weakening the citizens/customers

to a point yes
here we have gone down the road of politically correct and inclusive representation of all minorities for our police force

they used to be unarmed ... period
with at best a station rifle available should a call out be made in an emergency

they now have ready access to gloks and bushmasters in each vehicle
not sure the exact figures but
the amount of armed robberies has since skyrocketed
the amount of violence used in an average robbery is much higher
( these could be attributed to many things but the most likely is the prevalence of m*th addicts performing them as well as the perceived danger of armed police )
but
one major thing that has changed is the amount of provocation before the police start shooting ( now almost anything is a justification ) .. and the watchdogs just smile and nod
to me that shows that the level of moral fiber has dive bombed .. to the point where cowards are the norm and the days of the old fashioned brave strong police officer getting respect from their presence and confidence have been laid to rest

the police association are also the major driver of the demands for stricter gun control

so while i dont agree with the laxity of the usa regulations ... dont let them become like ours
 

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