That link doesn't take me to the product. Neither does the part number.
we were actually discussing this in the kayfun group on fb, they didnt deny anything or address the topic and then deleted the postMaybe they got ahead of the cloners by teaming up with one in advance. Could be a good strategy. Get a decent cloner set up to make a quality, working clone right out of the gate, get a cut of every one they sell, then you can double dip. Actually kinda makes sense.
For some reason the link redirects now. If you go to alibaba and search "ivogo kayfun 4" you find it. Screenshot below for proof.
The beta or test units go out to quite a few of the connected vaperati months before the official launch, someone must of sold his or her unit to China. Don't discount industrial espionage, China is quite good at it.How do they get the origionals, reverse engineer them and get them into production so fast?
You make an interesting point.Maybe they got ahead of the cloners by teaming up with one in advance. Could be a good strategy. Get a decent cloner set up to make a quality, working clone right out of the gate, get a cut of every one they sell, then you can double dip. Actually kinda makes sense.
they do for their tanks at least. the billow and their kayfun clones are greatEHPro does have a good reputation on here, yeah? I've never used any of their cloned products but they're popular, like just under Infinite/SXK on the ranking scale.
Maybe they got ahead of the cloners by teaming up with one in advance. Could be a good strategy. Get a decent cloner set up to make a quality, working clone right out of the gate, get a cut of every one they sell, then you can double dip. Actually kinda makes sense.
yea thats why they do that so people will get in contact with them and then they will tell you when production starts and when theyll be in stockAlibaba have a reputation a putting up photos of clones that don't exist yet. They did that with the Blackhawk for months before eventually pulling it, and the Maraxus. Obviously the kf4 will be cloned and it happens faster these day. But I wouldn't necessarily be certain of things on Alibaba that aren't also showing elsewhere. If you want to be certain of something on there then I guess email the seller and ask for a time frame - see what comes back.
Ehpro is like any german company, obsessed with precision, quality and high standards. That will produce good reputation.EHPro does have a good reputation on here, yeah? I've never used any of their cloned products but they're popular, like just under Infinite/SXK on the ranking scale.
Well, Alibaba identifies the clone as Ivogo. Not quite one of the respectable cloners. Why would SM go with them? My bet is it will turn out to be a typical case of copying.
With respect to @UncleRJ, there is no re-engineering involved. Get a sample, disassemble, measure/input into software, and apply standard fit tolerances. That can be done by one person in a day. Get your prototype machinists to work up a few and figure out what custom fixtures have to be made for production and where the manufacturing challenges are. A week tops for that. Photograph your best prototype and announce the product to your distributors. When the orders tally up to the minimum you'll do, rush into production. The rest, as we all know from sloppy clones, is learn as you go.
Even this relatively complicated atty is a dead simple piece of "machinery."
means my idea about being in the $40 price range at big vendors may be in the ballparkJust had a china vendor quote me
kayfun V4 1:1 clone $23.00 moq 10
i wonder how much fasttech will end up selling them for. i remember their kayfun lite plus being quite expensive.Just had a china vendor quote me
kayfun V4 1:1 clone $23.00 moq 10
i wonder how much fasttech will end up selling them for. i remember their kayfun lite plus being quite expensive.
i really don't like how the kf4 airflow is adjusted. the tank boasts of not needing the fill it up from beneath but it's adjusted from beneath. i feel it's a step backwards, especially having to use a screwdriver as well. what was so hard about simply making an adjuster that turns like the nautilus and every other tank?
Totally! It annoyed me a bit tbh when I saw that. And there's a lot of ppl on fb posting photos of their new kf4. New. Authentic. $100+ ...My thoughts as well. With an advanced juice cut off system for refilling/transport you would think that they would have put an airflow ring on the base.
At $180 for the V4, it seems as if Svoemesto really pushed the price envelope. People will buy them, but the vast majority will pass and get the clone when they come out. It seems that Svoemesto is catering to the well heeled elitist vapers, not the average everyday vaper. It's their marketing strategy, no problem with that. Svoemesto pretty much invited the cloners to spring into action.Totally! It annoyed me a bit tbh when I saw that. And there's a lot of ppl on fb posting photos of their new kf4. New. Authentic. $100+ ...
Hahaha are you the one who asked before? I have 'parts' and lots of them for kf lites, 3.1 es' and 91%s. I don't mind paying them forward (tho would keep some of the 91%s but the cut off time for posting internationally is tmrw the 12th so it'd be in jan.I'll be in line for one of these. I still use Kayfun 3.1's and will like a better airflow and top fill. I fill Mine from the top anyway.
Didn't care for lemo's much. Hits hard with the airflow thing but just really cheaply made and poor design.
Like most of you I drip as well but still like to fill a couple of tanks and go.
@hobbykid.... I still want all your old " original , original " Kayfuns. . I know you got em.
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Hahaha are you the one who asked before? I have 'parts' and lots of them for kf lites, 3.1 es' and 91%s. I don't mind paying them forward (tho would keep some of the 91%s but the cut off time for posting internationally is tmrw the 12th so it'd be in jan.
Probably gotta lot of vivi novas too
Tbh I've found it to be the opposite with vape. I've tended to hoard o-rings, tanks, driptips, just everything. But you know how it is, we move on and stuff gets put aside. Vape is a very different thing to me compared to say, tools or (actually I can't think of another example off hand). I do send out stuff around the UK. I'll do a sift through in the new year and see what's what and look into cost.I'll gladly grossly overpay for anything .
I'm kidding with you HK , i know your in the UK , hold on to your stuff , you may actually end up needing them in the future if you live by Murphy's law like i do .
Tobeco emailed me today saying their V4 would be available soon so well see.
Another company emailed me today, has the K4 and Taifun GT2 avail, already in production