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jwill

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While not a coil builder I had been doing some experimentation to cool off a vape on a new 3X18650 Series tube mech and decided to do some cloud chasing.

Which of course sent me down a rabbit hole.

2 X 24 Gauge Kanthal A1 and 1 X 22 Gauge Nichrome 80 twisted.

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Cant really tell from the photo but I flattened it out. Was going to hammer it flat but wifey was napping. Filed down and sandblasted clean a pair of cheap needle nose pliers and flattened the shit out of them. Made about 3 ft worth of usable.

Decided to test it out on the Hog V3 and a Mad Modder Prohibition Edition 30mm RDA
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After some careful spacing, a very wide coil (each coil is 6 in) and adding an additional mm of length to each leg it came out to about .45 and with some HE 4's, wicked with rayon did not burst into flames and produces a pretty cool and cloudy vape.

We have had to open the windows because I fogged out the house.
 

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First build ever when I was told by that dick Jay building Clapton's for my 1st ever was going backwards, Honestly it would be jumping to more advanced, not going backwards but some people think they know fucking everything. I had tools in my hands before they were a glimmer in their sperm donors eyes.

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zephyr

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Why aren't you putting one lead up and one lead down?

If I don't put all the legs in the bottom two holes, it shorts. No matter what, one leg shorts. If it doesn't short, sometimes one coil gets all the power. I have to have all 4 legs staggered to touch the bottom of the bottom posts


I've been changing up my drill setup trying to see what is most stable, drill on a pad is the best so far. Vice is out, clamping a drill to a wobbly table is the worst idea ever and I wish I had never thought to try it
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chrisakasparky

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So this is my 4-5th fralien. Definitely love this coil build. Wondering what to try next, I think I need to tackle staggered builds. Also accidentally wrapped like 1 cm of enigma and I wanna try to do it again on purpose. Lol

2x26g, 6x.3mm, 36g (24g decore),all n80,
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ScReWbALL

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Just curious about throwing a little color...I’m an N80 whore and rarely use anything else, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that SS is definitely better for making awesome color shots, but my pure SS316L Aliens always turn reddish brown after a couple of days of use and I kind of abandoned it, but, was thinking just for fun, I can make some hybrid aliens mixing and matching core wires and decore wrap between N80 and SS316L (such as triple 26ga SS cores with 36ga N80 decore or 26ga N80 Cores with 36ga SS decore, or maybe even mixing and matching cores using the two outer cores with one alloy and the middle core another)...was just curious what kind of differences to expect in throwing color using SS or a hybrid of SS/N80 versus only N80 builds.
Pretty sure these are shots I’ve posted before, but this is the kind of coloration I’m getting with my Triple Core 26/36 N80 Aliens...
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How dare you incinerate that I don’t know how to use big words!
 

KingPin!

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Just curious about throwing a little color...I’m an N80 whore and rarely use anything else, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that SS is definitely better for making awesome color shots, but my pure SS316L Aliens always turn reddish brown after a couple of days of use and I kind of abandoned it, but, was thinking just for fun, I can make some hybrid aliens mixing and matching core wires and decore wrap between N80 and SS316L (such as triple 26ga SS cores with 36ga N80 decore or 26ga N80 Cores with 36ga SS decore, or maybe even mixing and matching cores using the two outer cores with one alloy and the middle core another)...was just curious what kind of differences to expect in throwing color using SS or a hybrid of SS/N80 versus only N80 builds.
Pretty sure these are shots I’ve posted before, but this is the kind of coloration I’m getting with my Triple Core 26/36 N80 Aliens...
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How dare you incinerate that I don’t know how to use big words!

N80 takes a fair bit to colour compared with SS (SS which i found has a very small window of colouration at the beginning)

Youll probably find SS is at the lighter end of blue before getting any sort of purple on N80 in fact itll probably still be brown at this stage ...the window to get both colour is really short
 

KingPin!

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So this is my 4-5th fralien. Definitely love this coil build. Wondering what to try next, I think I need to tackle staggered builds. Also accidentally wrapped like 1 cm of enigma and I wanna try to do it again on purpose. Lol

2x26g, 6x.3mm, 36g (24g decore),all n80,
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Beautiful!
 

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Just curious about throwing a little color...I’m an N80 whore and rarely use anything else, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that SS is definitely better for making awesome color shots, but my pure SS316L Aliens always turn reddish brown after a couple of days of use and I kind of abandoned it, but, was thinking just for fun, I can make some hybrid aliens mixing and matching core wires and decore wrap between N80 and SS316L (such as triple 26ga SS cores with 36ga N80 decore or 26ga N80 Cores with 36ga SS decore, or maybe even mixing and matching cores using the two outer cores with one alloy and the middle core another)...was just curious what kind of differences to expect in throwing color using SS or a hybrid of SS/N80 versus only N80 builds.
Pretty sure these are shots I’ve posted before, but this is the kind of coloration I’m getting with my Triple Core 26/36 N80 Aliens...
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How dare you incinerate that I don’t know how to use big words!

Like @KingPin! Said, SS colors really fast. I lightly pulse at 20w while strumming to get hot spots out, once it starts to slightly start turning a bit gold I’ll raise it to 30 and keep pulsing and strumming... before you know it, it’s all colored up. I’m still fairly new to coloring SS316L, but this has been working for me lately!

This is a 50/50 N80/SS316L Fralien.
3(.3x.1) N80/3(.3x.1) SS316L
1(28) N80/ 1(28) SS316L
36 SS316L Alien Wrap

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Sorry I haven't been here in a while, Internet has been a fleeting enjoyment as of late. Haven't been overly active at the drill either. Mostly working on a nice MTL build for the berserker. This is another 4 core alien, 28g cores and 36g wrap.
Absolutely smashing the builds that have been flying out here guys, spurs me on to get back at the drill properly. Keep smashing those builds out, hopefully I'll be back with more content soon and better stuff.
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Love the changes in color! Great looking coil! Sorry I've been out of the picture for a bit I didn't have much time to build this weekend I had family obligations. I almost did a really tight framed staple with 40g but one wrap came out funky. :cuss2: If I do a simple build like that I want it to be perfect. Hopefully I'll nail it tonight. But back to the point. This is a beautiful alien. Your waves are great your color is great and I bet it vapes great too! :cheers:Awesome!
 

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Just some SS316L Fraliens in the Sherman 25 sitting on the Boxer DNA250c Squonk... this replay mode is where it’s at!!

6(.3x.1 SS316L)
2(28 SS316L)
36 SS316L Alien Wrap

I’m still working out the best way to color the SS... I’m kinda a SS noob... never had a reason to work with it until now!

EDIT: sorry this was a hybrid fralien coil, 50/50 N80/SS316L

3(.3x.1) N80
3(.3x.1) SS316L
1(28) N80
1(28) SS316L
36 SS316L Alien Wrap

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Great work as always brother! Your fraliens are the cleanest of the clean!:confetti:
 

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That fralien I made the other day. Trying to figure out coloring, using a mech though, any tips?


Tried to make a couple more with 7 ply to make duals but my ribbons collapsed and then I overstretched my decore maybe next time

Fralien 2x28g, 8x.3mm, 36g n80 0.22 ohms
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Btw, dropped the rda once or twice, probably why the post is slightly crooked


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Very impressive. Took me a lot longer to learn how to do them. Great job!
 

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Swapped my Aliens for a smaller ID. 2.5 mm instead od 3mm. Instant boost in flavor. 3mm ramp up time was too slow. ID does affect flavor since it affects ramp up.
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Ever had a Mexican flan? This tastes exactly like one. yum yum yum!!:xD: Just make sure you like cleaning your coils and changing your wick often. It gunks up your coils like crazy! But so worth it!!
That one photo with the color is really nice. Great job! I got a similar color to a fralien once. Don't know how it happened, haven't been able to get the same color since.
 

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You're gonna nail this build soon Meg. Your so close. Please don't give up you're doing awesome. SUPERHERO!:hearts:

I bet I'm gonna get some nice clean builds soon, now that I took the drill out of a vice which was clamped to a folding table, drill was shaking the whole thing like a monster at anything over 100 rpm!!! Thanks man, you rock!

Btw, one does not simply make a tight clean 40g build lol, but YOU CAN DO EET!
 

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I bet I'm gonna get some nice clean builds soon, now that I took the drill out of a vice which was clamped to a folding table, drill was shaking the whole thing like a monster at anything over 100 rpm!!! Thanks man, you rock!

Btw, one does not simply make a tight clean 40g build lol, but YOU CAN DO EET!
Hahaha you gotta have a steady drill that you can pull back tension on. One of the reason's I got a new drill is so I could get a chuck that really secured whatever I put in there so I could pull back tension. I swear I had that coil tight and clean for 4 wraps... and then.. the ugly wrap:gaah:it ruined my evening:cuss2:Thank you for the encouragement.:D
 

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Just curious about throwing a little color...I’m an N80 whore and rarely use anything else, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that SS is definitely better for making awesome color shots, but my pure SS316L Aliens always turn reddish brown after a couple of days of use and I kind of abandoned it, but, was thinking just for fun, I can make some hybrid aliens mixing and matching core wires and decore wrap between N80 and SS316L (such as triple 26ga SS cores with 36ga N80 decore or 26ga N80 Cores with 36ga SS decore, or maybe even mixing and matching cores using the two outer cores with one alloy and the middle core another)...was just curious what kind of differences to expect in throwing color using SS or a hybrid of SS/N80 versus only N80 builds.
Pretty sure these are shots I’ve posted before, but this is the kind of coloration I’m getting with my Triple Core 26/36 N80 Aliens...
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GORGEOUS!!
 

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Love the changes in color! Great looking coil! Sorry I've been out of the picture for a bit I didn't have much time to build this weekend I had family obligations. I almost did a really tight framed staple with 40g but one wrap came out funky. :cuss2: If I do a simple build like that I want it to be perfect. Hopefully I'll nail it tonight. But back to the point. This is a beautiful alien. Your waves are great your color is great and I bet it vapes great too! :cheers:Awesome!
I appreciate that Shred mate, I know it's not an overly complicated build but it's nice to have good feedback :) next is a 5 core... Just because lol. I've been missing having the time to sit at the bench for a few hours to try some new stuff. I'll have to upload those MTL coils I've done as well just so I'm contributing a bit more haha. Not complex or anything, just looking for good ramp up time and better clouds. I'll try upload them after band practice

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ScReWbALL

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Like @KingPin! Said, SS colors really fast. I lightly pulse at 20w while strumming to get hot spots out, once it starts to slightly start turning a bit gold I’ll raise it to 30 and keep pulsing and strumming... before you know it, it’s all colored up. I’m still fairly new to coloring SS316L, but this has been working for me lately!

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I was under the impression it was bad (and therefore I never tried) to strum coils I’m throwing color on.
I had always heard that it can knock off your color if you strum them (externally at least...my builds are usually wrapped around a 3mm precision screwdriver, so if I’m strumming for ones I’m coloring I use a flat head 2.4mm precision and strum inside the coil rather than scraping it across the exposed surface area).
Have I been wrong all this time and strumming Coils you’re trying to color has no impact (negative at least) on the final product?
I know they can be a bit finicky if I don’t wash the oil residue from the skin on my fingers off of a coil I’m trying to color before pulsing it, so, small factors can definitely cause issues from my experience.


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I don't think it's so much that ss colours better than ni80, it's more that the ni80 needs that bit more heat to get the same colours. Also strumming a coil BEFORE you start to pulse and colour will not mess up the colouring at the end, but, if you strum a coil that's already got colour on it you will almost certainly scrape some of the colour off the coil. I tend to try and pry the wraps apart from the inside slightly so as not to ruin the colours but if a coil has some bastard hotspots then I will strum from the outside as glowing evenly is more important to me than colouring.

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Does SS color better than n80?


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It's got a slightly lower resistance so it will color slightly quicker. I've heard you can miss the color on SS builds real easy if you pulse to hard. When done right I've seen it give off some wild colors. Oranges, Reds, Purples, Blues, Yellows, Gold, etc. I've definitely seen some crazy SS coloring. With N80 you get more of a Blue to Purple to Gold range starting from the center out. I happen to like the vape of N80 better than any other group of alloys but if I was going for strictly color and nothing else, I would probably choose stainless steel. This is all coming from a guy that is decent at building his own coils to satisfaction but is not a master at coloring by any means so I suppose take what I say with a grain of salt.
 

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Those raymos clamps? Gonna have to order some this weekend.

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No they're building robots...

I mean yes, they are, I like them more now that I finally took my allen drivers that fit the two different screws down to the work table, I was using pliers to tighten the chuck end's screws...that's no fun
 

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I bet I'm gonna get some nice clean builds soon, now that I took the drill out of a vice which was clamped to a folding table, drill was shaking the whole thing like a monster at anything over 100 rpm!!! Thanks man, you rock!

Btw, one does not simply make a tight clean 40g build lol, but YOU CAN DO EET!
meg, are you manually spacing on your first pass or using the loop/other method (or God forbid groove fusing between the alien wraps with alien wraps lol) I'm gonna give this build a go I think, looking for tips/tricks

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meg, are you manually spacing on your first pass or using the loop/other method (or God forbid groove fusing between the alien wraps with alien wraps lol) I'm gonna give this build a go I think, looking for tips/tricks

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Just manually, spacing by eyeballs is the only way I know of! If you can make a tight alien, then you should, Theoretically, be able to make a consistently spaced alien...theoretically o_O

I wouldn't call it groove fusing, is that when you use a higher gauge to fuse in between tightly spaced, lower gauge wraps? You just put the second alien pass in between the first, it falls into place Somewhat though, if your first pass is consistent and you stretch your second pass wayyyy to the max so you dont have to put any tension on it
 
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KarmicRage

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Meg's right. From what I've watched about making alien staggs by Raymo2u and nick devine trying to use anything to space the alien wraps just messes the final product up. You just have to practice keeping up with the drill with your wrapping hand, which is harder than it sounds haha

Edit. Also it's called staggered fusing. Groove fusing is usually done with contact wraps in 2 different gauges with the thinner gauge lying in-between/on top of the thicker gauge.
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Meg's right. From what I've watched about making alien staggs by Raymo2u and nick devine trying to use anything to space the alien wraps just messes the final product up. You just have to practice keeping up with the drill with your wrapping hand, which is harder than it sounds haha

Edit. Also it's called staggered fusing. Groove fusing is usually done with contact wraps in 2 different gauges with the thinner gauge lying in-between/on top of the thicker gauge.
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thanks karm, I know the definition of groove fusing, I was just making sure that isn't what she was doing and was in fact staggering just by eyeballing it :) I haven't watched any videos on this one, I like to try and work things out myself if I can.

meg, I'm gonna guess nothing is going to fall in place for a while on my end, luckily I have plenty of wire to burn.

thanks for the tips both of you, another example of why I love this forum.

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thanks karm, I know the definition of groove fusing, I was just making sure that isn't what she was doing and was in fact staggering just by eyeballing it :) I haven't watched any videos on this one, I like to try and work things out myself if I can.

meg, I'm gonna guess nothing is going to fall in place for a while on my end, luckily I have plenty of wire to burn.

thanks for the tips both of you, another example of why I love this forum.

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No worries dude. It's not an overly hard build to get a vapable coil but to perfect it you pretty much do just have to burn through wire haha

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Meg's right. From what I've watched about making alien staggs by Raymo2u and nick devine trying to use anything to space the alien wraps just messes the final product up. You just have to practice keeping up with the drill with your wrapping hand, which is harder than it sounds haha

Edit. Also it's called staggered fusing. Groove fusing is usually done with contact wraps in 2 different gauges with the thinner gauge lying in-between/on top of the thicker gauge.
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Now I know, lol :teehee: all the terms in coil building, I get why there's jokes about gargoyle hoof tarantula coils and stuff lol
 

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I watched that video with ohmboy oc and grim green lol yeah it does start to sound a lot like computer jargon to those not in the know haha

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