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For what it's worth, this site is just an extension of real people in the real world. It's full of advice, opinions, and yes, some of those could be better phrased or just left unsaid but that isn't how life or real people operate. On occasion, one is better off sorting the chaff from the grain and moving on. Those with experience on a particular subject will offer sound advice but no one can force someone to take heed. Some folks aren't happy till they've stirred discord and that too also happens in real life and should be taken with a grain of salt. Those of us who have learned to do that fare much better here.
VU welcomes those from all walks of life. We have but one goal here and that's to assist others in giving up smoking and staying smoke free for life. You could bump into any one of us on the street because we're real people in the real world. And just like the real world, there will always be times when one isn't exactly thrilled with someone else's attitude. (Trust me, I work with the public daily and it happens often.) Personally, I try my best not to ruffle my own feathers by hanging around for more punishment than I feel I should endure. There are other places to be here, so that's where I hang. Anything else that pops up to irk me, i just shake it off and move on. I've had a pleasant stay here for nearly three years for that reason.

It is what it is, and that's all that it is. Life.
 

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Well been almost 2 weeks and I don't think the problem is going to happen again I'm even so confident that I bought my friends used Lpv3 li 165w box mod for 25$

Nothing better than adding an additional MOD to your collection for when you get bored of one style of vaping! Congrats on the new addition.
 
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Nothing better than adding an additional MOD to your collection for when you get bored of one style of vaping! Congrats on the new addition.

Yeah it's the best one I have now just waiting on the batteries and charger I ordered 2 sets cause waiting for batteries to charge can be annoying especially when I've read 18650s take a long ass time to charge got a set of Samsung 2500mah 3.6v for 12$ and hg2 lg set for 16$ both from vapewild
 
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For what it's worth, this site is just an extension of real people in the real world. It's full of advice, opinions, and yes, some of those could be better phrased or just left unsaid but that isn't how life or real people operate. On occasion, one is better off sorting the chaff from the grain and moving on. Those with experience on a particular subject will offer sound advice but no one can force someone to take heed. Some folks aren't happy till they've stirred discord and that too also happens in real life and should be taken with a grain of salt. Those of us who have learned to do that fare much better here.
VU welcomes those from all walks of life. We have but one goal here and that's to assist others in giving up smoking and staying smoke free for life. You could bump into any one of us on the street because we're real people in the real world. And just like the real world, there will always be times when one isn't exactly thrilled with someone else's attitude. (Trust me, I work with the public daily and it happens often.) Personally, I try my best not to ruffle my own feathers by hanging around for more punishment than I feel I should endure. There are other places to be here, so that's where I hang. Anything else that pops up to irk me, i just shake it off and move on. I've had a pleasant stay here for nearly three years for that reason.

It is what it is, and that's all that it is. Life.

Um no, it isn't an extension of the real world. In the real world, people don't refer to what they are looking to vape as "CBD" FFS even where it is legal for recreational use!

Maybe in the part of the country and the people where you run with, LGBT people are in the closest but this site takes it a step further than that with race being effectively a "don't ask, don't tell" subject" if you aren't white. Now that doesn't exist in the real world.
 
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Maybe in the part of the country and the people where you run with, LGBT people are in the closest but this site takes it a step further than that with race being effectively a "don't ask, don't tell" subject" if you aren't white. Now that doesn't exist in the real world.

WTF?

You will have to explain that one - it's not a dating site, lol

Not that it matters - but there are plenty of people on here who are not Caucasian - and talk about it freely where/if it is relevant, which is not often and usually occurs when a thread goes socially off topic

Some folks have posted photos of their not-white selves - and again, who cares?

A few people occasionally talk about how they are not heterosexual

My personal goal being here is to gain knowledge and share it with anyone trying to quit smoking or staying smoke free - anything else, well that is what FB is for

Am a half breed myself and don't give a fuck the race of anyone on VU or their sex life - it is 100% irrelevant to vaping, though country of origin can have bearing on supply and demand - but that is not always an indicator of race because someone who is posting from an Asian country does not mean they are Asian
 
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WTF?

You will have to explain that one - it's not a dating site, lol

Not that it matters - but there are plenty of people on here who are not Caucasian - and talk about it freely where/if it is relevant, which is not often and usually occurs when a thread goes socially off topic because vaping

Some folks have posted photos of their not-white selves - and again, who cares?

A few people occasionally talk about how they are not heterosexual

My personal goal being here is to gain knowledge and share it with anyone trying to quit smoking or staying smoke free - anything else, well that is what FB is for

Am a half breed myself and don't give a fuck the race of anyone on VU or their sex life - it is 100% irrelevant to vaping, though country of origin can have bearing on supply and demand - but that is not always an indicator of race because someone who is posting from an Asian country does not mean they are Asian

I was equally puzzled by the msg you responded to... but I absolutely couldn't have said it better if I tried!

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Um no, it isn't an extension of the real world. In the real world, people don't refer to what they are looking to vape as "CBD" FFS even where it is legal for recreational use!

Maybe in the part of the country and the people where you run with, LGBT people are in the closest but this site takes it a step further than that with race being effectively a "don't ask, don't tell" subject" if you aren't white. Now that doesn't exist in the real world.
No, in my part of the country and the people I "run with," someone would say "the cheese has done slid off her cracker," because you're really pushing the envelope here. Real people gathered together on a real website to exchange real ideas - sounds like real world stuff to me.
And how would you know whether someone wants to vape CBD or "something else"? Any post I've read here in the CBD DISCUSSION THREAD makes intentions pretty plain. Again, you're hearing what you choose to hear, which is usually something that requires a less than dazzling rebuttal, and it's wearing quite thin with many of the "real" folks here.
And WHAT IN THE IMMORTAL HELL are you blabbering about concerning race and LGBT?? When did that even enter this discussion outside of your own head? Or any discussion in ANY thread? Why you insist on creating more drama is beyond my comprehension, but you're stirring shit in a place I call home when you have absolutely no basis to do so, let alone with absolutely no time to even remotely get to know anyone here.
Give it a REST....PLEASE.
 

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No, in my part of the country and the people I "run with," someone would say "the cheese has done slid off her cracker," because you're really pushing the envelope here. Real people gathered together on a real website to exchange real ideas - sounds like real world stuff to me.
And how would you know whether someone wants to vape CBD or "something else"? Any post I've read here in the CBD DISCUSSION THREAD makes intentions pretty plain. Again, you're hearing what you choose to hear, which is usually something that requires a less than dazzling rebuttal, and it's wearing quite thin with many of the "real" folks here.
And WHAT IN THE IMMORTAL HELL are you blabbering about concerning race and LGBT?? When did that even enter this discussion outside of your own head? Or any discussion in ANY thread? Why you insist on creating more drama is beyond my comprehension, but you're stirring shit in a place I call home when you have absolutely no basis to do so, let alone with absolutely no time to even remotely get to know anyone here.
Give it a REST....PLEASE.

She's just dragged this ridiculous IRRELEVANT BS over into the "TC is a scam" thread, and it makes no more sense there than it does here.

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Surprising polar girl is a silver contributor with that babbling altho maybe all she does is babble all the time
 

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Surprising polar girl is a silver contributor with that babbling altho maybe all she does is babble all the time

It's a lot for someone who is not actually a vaper yet - or might have tried it by now - haven't seen any updates

But on the bright side, I think you did get your friends some nice kit, very good beginner stuff and could last a lot longer

I still vape my old eLeaf iSticks from two years ago - really, TC is overrated IME
 

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This was my own thought after reading all that. No idea where any of that came from. For claiming that the forum is full of shills and only out to get people, that was one of the most instigating things I've read in this 2 threads now.

It's one of the things I like about forums over FB and other social media vaping groups; here, its all about the vape

I really, really, really don't care about those other things - and I highly doubt your average vaping African American tranny does either, or the white gay dude in booty shorts, or the Mexican lesbian married to Chinese dyke, or, or, or...

Simply not relevant to sharing vape info or asking/giving advice
 

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It's a lot for someone who is not actually a vaper yet - or might have tried it by now - haven't seen any updates

But on the bright side, I think you did get your friends some nice kit, very good beginner stuff and could last a lot longer

I still vape my old eLeaf iSticks from two years ago - really, TC is overrated IME

Idk if I'll be using it a year from now cause of what the FDA is planning August 8th next year about anything vape related
 

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Idk if I'll be using it a year from now cause of what the FDA is planning August 8th next year about anything vape related

Those regs were passed in Aug. 2016, no one is going to confiscate your existing gear

Sorry, got distracted by the drama and didn't read the exact link you posted, but the Deeming Regs are complex, change frequently and make it hard for those in the vaping business - both as manufacturers and consumers - to know how the future of vaping will turn out

Many of us here have been stockpiling vape gear for a very long time and have decades of gear and nicotine stashed just in case
 

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Those regs were passed in Aug. 2016, no one is going to confiscate your existing gear

Sorry, got distracted by the drama and didn't read the exact link you posted, but the Deeming Regs are complex, change frequently and make it hard for those in the vaping business - both as manufacturers and consumers - to know how the future of vaping will turn out

Many of us here have been stockpiling vape gear for a very long time and have decades of gear and nicotine stashed just in case
Yep need more Wasps!
 

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Hahahaha

Looks like one of those tobacco funded science experiments ....the effects of vaping have real physiological affects ...don’t believe us? We have proof

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Naah just something the rabbit did so it could put up with TV that hoomans listen to and watch.
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Those regs were passed in Aug. 2016, no one is going to confiscate your existing gear

Sorry, got distracted by the drama and didn't read the exact link you posted, but the Deeming Regs are complex, change frequently and make it hard for those in the vaping business - both as manufacturers and consumers - to know how the future of vaping will turn out

Many of us here have been stockpiling vape gear for a very long time and have decades of gear and nicotine stashed just in case

Yeah I know they can't take what I already have but I only have a few months worth of coils and liquids at most as of right now so I'm going to have to stock up between now and then try and get years worth of shit im guessing I'm going to have to spend atleast 1000$ so that way I hopefully have enough to last and be good until there's a stable market rebuilt after they come to "rape and pillage" the community I bet there's going to be some HUGE sales in the weeks before it happens from small businesses that can't afford the roundabout 3m$ its going to cost for the FDA to test a manufacturers mixture and it's not a guaranteed approval so pay that much and fail their testing would be a heavy hit to companies
 

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The regs as they stand right now if fully implemented and enforced would kill virtually all vape shops since nothing not on the market before 2007 or some such date could be sold in the USA.
Why most vape survivalists have gone to making their own coils, juice and such.

We could probably still order from offshore as individuals but no retailers could do so legally for resale.
 

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Yeah I know they can't take what I already have but I only have a few months worth of coils and liquids at most as of right now so I'm going to have to stock up between now and then try and get years worth of shit so that way I hopefully have enough until there's a stable market rebuilt after they come to "rape and pillage" the community I bet there's going to be some HUGE sales in the weeks before it happens from small businesses that can't afford the roundabout 3m$ its going to cost for the FDA to test a manufacturers mixture and it's not a guaranteed approval so pay that much and fail their testing would be a heavy hit to companies

Your best best really - especially as it is far from clear right now which way the wind will blow - is to learn to build, or even just learn how to install and wick pre-made coils on an RDA or RTA

Just use the factory coil tanks until you get proficient on building

IMO, the atomizer is the weakest link if the FDA gets its way and banishes new vape gear into oblivion

They can't outlaw wire and cotton though :)
 

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The Vapocalypse isn't going to happen so don't get all uptight @amateur vaper. Was supposed to have happened last 8/8 but nothing but tons of new MOD's flooding the market.
 

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Your best best really - especially as it is far from clear right now which way the wind will blow - is to learn to build, or even just learn how to install and wick pre-made coils on an RDA or RTA

Just use the factory coil tanks until you get proficient on building

IMO, the atomizer is the weakest link if the FDA gets its way and banishes new vape gear into oblivion

They can't outlaw wire and cotton though :)
Or the flavorings and PG/VG we use for our juice.
They would likely however make it hard to get nicotine.
Why I have enough in my freezer to last me the rest of my life.
 

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No last year was the day they announced that it was 2 years until it is put into action look it up 8/8/2018
yes but it got delayed because of registration problems and such, then enforcement put on hold for 5 years.
the original date of 2007 I think it was has never been changed for any device introduced after that date to have to be approved by the FDA before sales could continue.

Hopefully it will continue in limbo but I expect it to be modified and put into effect before the 5 year extension.
Look for at the minimum imho.
Manufacturing regulations for ejuice. Clean labs, records, batch numbers, etc.
And safety regs on mods/batteries.

The no sales to under 18 was a separate thing from the Deeming regs and is fully in place with some states requiring 21.
Some states also have other restrictive anti vaping laws in place.
 

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No last year was the day they announced that it was 2 years until it is put into action look it up 8/8/2018

I've been stock piling since well before the Deeming Regs were first published May 8, 2016

But it went into hyper-mode after that

Now I'm fine tuning my stash
 

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You aren't the only one currently getting mocked by people on this site because vaping isn't working out for them. Some poor guy with a plethora of mood disorders on disability is getting mocked because the vaping industry is scamming him and he has the audacity to post complaints on this shill site about it. That is how low VU members are.

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/is-the-vape-industry-scamming-it’s-customers.373043/

I made a long thread that started out about Smok doing this that devolved into the entire industry.

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/smok.369024/

It is futile arguing with shills. They are getting their FDA and TPD karma.

You are paranoid.
 

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This was my own thought after reading all that. No idea where any of that came from. For claiming that the forum is full of shills and only out to get people, that was one of the most instigating things I've read in this 2 threads now.
Martyr complex?
Or just looking to create drama?
 

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I've been stock piling since well before the Deeming Regs were first published May 8, 2016

But it went into hyper-mode after that

Now I'm fine tuning my stash
I started Vaping in January 2015.
Started DIY in Feb 2015 due to allergic reaction to most ejuice.
Found out about the FDA regs coming up in about March and started stockpiling then.
Learned how to recoil Kanger clearo coils in about April.

Still doing it but more selective now and PIFFING some stuff that i do not expect to use because it does not suit me for some reason or other.
 

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Here's the issue as I see it. The number of active members on these boards is quite small, maybe a thousand, if that. My impression of most of the active members is they have all put a fair amount of time, effort and money into vaping. Vaping has a steep and long learning curve. It takes dedication, desire and persistence to learn about mods, atomizers, wires, batteries, cotton, as well as all the components that go into making juice. The members here help anyone who asks for help. The amount of knowledge and experience here is vast and it's shared freely and willingly and usually with good manners.

However, when people come on here and display a lack of the required qualities that most here possess, the members will only try so much to help. If the person is rude, stubborn, insulting or thick as a brick then eventually some members will let that person know about it. Most members will just ignore the person, but some won't, just like in everyday life.

Your original post did not start off on the right foot. I'm not saying you had anything but the best of intentions, but you are responsible for how you express yourself. As was pointed out to you above, you might want to think about how you approached this forum. Take a break from here and vaping, then come back in a while, phrase your thoughts carefully and you'll get as much help as people here can give.

Finally, I'm speaking for myself here, but when I see people in my life say they want to vape and then put little effort into it, then I don't want to hear their bullshit. I've been at this full bore for 13 months and I'm totally self-sufficient. I had not one person in my life to turn to, so I came here. I've learned so much here, but it's fucking work that doesn't stop. The amount of time, money and effort has been huge, but it's worth it to me. For many people, they don't want to make the commitment. That's fine, it's their choice but the folks here don't perform magic, they advise and teach. If the student doesn't want to do the work, that's their fucking problem. When people post here, usually in a complaining and bitchy manner, and then display the lack of the qualities needed to succeed at vaping, it annoys the hell out of me. . I suspect many here feel the same.

First to your point here:

I have found that when smokers make excuses about why vaping is "too hard" or "I can't find a mod that works for me", etc...

The real thing these people are saying is "I am unable or unwilling to stop smoking at this time"

Secondly:

You know what?

I have seen you posting your opinions in threads all over this forum and I never recall ever disagreeing with any of your opinions.

That is very rare and I would just like you to know that even though I have been vaping for over 5 years (Aug 2012) I hold your opinion in very high regard.

If you don't mind I would like to know if it would be OK to tag you in future threads where I do not have an opinion on the particular issue.
Please let me know if this is OK.

Thank you for all you do for fellow beginner and advanced vapers.

@bobnat - You are truly an asset to the Vaping Underground Forum.
 

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WTF?

You will have to explain that one - it's not a dating site, lol

Not that it matters - but there are plenty of people on here who are not Caucasian - and talk about it freely where/if it is relevant, which is not often and usually occurs when a thread goes socially off topic

Some folks have posted photos of their not-white selves - and again, who cares?

A few people occasionally talk about how they are not heterosexual

My personal goal being here is to gain knowledge and share it with anyone trying to quit smoking or staying smoke free - anything else, well that is what FB is for

Am a half breed myself and don't give a fuck the race of anyone on VU or their sex life - it is 100% irrelevant to vaping, though country of origin can have bearing on supply and demand - but that is not always an indicator of race because someone who is posting from an Asian country does not mean they are Asian

There are people from around the world that post pictures of their non-white selves unaware of how this place works. I remember Pulsevape wigging out over suggesting that if the Republican Party wanted to me more like Lincoln by adopting Lincoln's policy of repatriating black people back to Africa, it would have won a popular vote in a Republican Primary and someone else saying they think he is black based on his posts but don't know for sure. That wouldn't have meant much to me but other than the "ignorant" third residents who aren't aware of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" culture here that put non-white pics off themselves in their profiles, I haven't seen one post of a non-white identity affirmation here let alone a LGB and especially a transgender affirming identity that you are claiming you have seen. Even conservative sports sites at least have occasional affirming posts FFS!
 

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There are people from around the world that post pictures of their non-white selves unaware of how this place works. I remember Pulsevape wigging out over suggesting that if the Republican Party wanted to me more like Lincoln by adopting Lincoln's policy of repatriating black people back to Africa, it would have won a popular vote in a Republican Primary and someone else saying they think he is black based on his posts but don't know for sure. That wouldn't have meant much to me but other than the "ignorant" third residents who aren't aware of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" culture here that put non-white pics off themselves in their profiles, I haven't seen one post of a non-white identity affirmation here let alone a LGB and especially a transgender affirming identity that you are claiming you have seen. Even conservative sports sites at least have occasional affirming posts FFS!

Just - - - WTF again


There are people from around the world that post pictures of their non-white selves unaware of how this place works.

So - enlighten this only half-white person to what happens to the hapless non-caucassion who dares post on VU? Do they get kicked out like the military used to do?

I remember Pulsevape wigging out over suggesting that if the Republican Party wanted to me more like Lincoln by adopting Lincoln's policy of repatriating black people back to Africa, it would have won a popular vote in a Republican Primary and someone else saying they think he is black based on his posts but don't know for sure.

This has what to do with vaping? It did not occur in a vaping thread and that is one of numerous reasons I personally don't read those threads


"Don't Ask Don't Tell" culture here that put non-white pics off themselves in their profiles, I haven't seen one post of a non-white identity affirmation here let alone a LGB and especially a transgender affirming identity that you are claiming you have seen.
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First, read all the threads I've posted in for the past year and a half, and you will see people talking about their race occasionally, and a few people talking about their non-straight sexual orientation - I don't think it would be very social of me to repeat it here, but some people talk about it in the course of getting to know a person online

Some non-white Americans freely post their own photos and vids here - they don't get kicked out, lol

As this is a vaping site, how do you propose people disclose this information if you think it is so relevant to vaping???
Put it in their profile o_O
 

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You aren't the only one currently getting mocked by people on this site because vaping isn't working out for them. Some poor guy with a plethora of mood disorders on disability is getting mocked because the vaping industry is scamming him and he has the audacity to post complaints on this shill site about it. That is how low VU members are.

Actually this member was getting "mocked" because he is trying to use kanthal coils in temp control mode which is impossible.
At least a half dozen members have brought this to his attention and tryed to help him.
But he doesn't want to be helped and claims that he is 100% positive that kanthal works in TC mode.

He doesn't want to hear the truth even though he heard the truth for the first 2 pages of the thread.

By then everyone just gave up.

He wants to hear "Yes, kanthal does work in TC mode, Yes, buying kanthal coils and running them in TC is a wonderful idea, YES even though in big bold letters the site says that the coils included in the kit will not work in TC mode you were scammed because you didn't read the biggest boldest print on the page.

Problem is NO ONE will ever agree with that because it's FALSE. as in UNTRUE.
 

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There are people from around the world that post pictures of their non-white selves unaware of how this place works. I remember Pulsevape wigging out over suggesting that if the Republican Party wanted to me more like Lincoln by adopting Lincoln's policy of repatriating black people back to Africa, it would have won a popular vote in a Republican Primary and someone else saying they think he is black based on his posts but don't know for sure. That wouldn't have meant much to me but other than the "ignorant" third residents who aren't aware of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" culture here that put non-white pics off themselves in their profiles, I haven't seen one post of a non-white identity affirmation here let alone a LGB and especially a transgender affirming identity that you are claiming you have seen. Even conservative sports sites at least have occasional affirming posts FFS!

Why do you give a fuck what race or sexual orientation anyone is besides yourself?
This is a forum where people can remain anonymous if they so choose.

I don't understand why you have to bring any of that shit here when there is 300,000 other places on the internet where you can let that shit rip.

Have you noticed that you are the only one on the entire forum that rattles off the liberal talking points every time they get a chance?

No one is being censored so it could just maybe, possibly, could be that people are tired of hearing that old bullshit every time they turn around.

Are you living in one of those liberal bubbles?

Because we are not. Sorry.
 

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Actually this member was getting "mocked" because he is trying to use kanthal coils in temp control mode which is impossible.
At least a half dozen members have brought this to his attention and tryed to help him.
But he doesn't want to be helped and claims that he is 100% positive that kanthal works in TC mode.

He doesn't want to hear the truth even though he heard the truth for the first 2 pages of the thread.

By then everyone just gave up.

He wants to hear "Yes, kanthal does work in TC mode, Yes, buying kanthal coils and running them in TC is a wonderful idea, YES even though in big bold letters the site says that the coils included in the kit will not work in TC mode you were scammed because you didn't read the biggest boldest print on the page.

Problem is NO ONE will ever agree with that because it's FALSE. as in UNTRUE.

Didn't someone say you can do TC with kanthal with a Hohm(something-or-other) mod... HohmSlice, HohmWrecker, I dunno, it's Hohm-something. I don't know anything about it, since I think TC is HIGHLY overrated, but I do recall seeing that somewhere around here.

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Didn't someone say you can do TC with kanthal with a Hohm(something-or-other) mod... HohmSlice, HohmWrecker, I dunno, it's Hohm-something. I don't know anything about it, since I think TC is HIGHLY overrated, but I do recall seeing that somewhere around here.

Andria
The hohmwrecker is the only mod that is said to do it.
I don't have one so I'm going to stop there before I misspeak.

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The hohmwrecker is the only mod that is said to do it.
I don't have one so I'm going to stop there before I misspeak.

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Ok... this was what I meant when I was speaking of TC to the OP, that it's really not possible to do it with kanthal, except in rare instances -- that Hohm-whatever-it-is may be one of those rare cases, but even so... It's hard for me to imagine it; my understanding is that TC works with nickel, titanium, or stainless, using low resistance, because those metals' resistance changes a lot depending on heat, whereas kanthal's resistance stays fairly steady, regardless of heat. I'm definitely no electric-geek, just trying to wrap my head around the basics.

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I was vaping and did not panick when 8/8 came and went buddy and I know that it has now been delayed. I probably know a bit more about the Deeming Regulations then you do. By the way have you signed the petition?

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https://www.change.org/p/u-s-senate...ntext=fb_share_mention_control&fb_ref=Default

I signed a different one that went to my local political reps last night and I just signed the one from the link you added I also donated 4$ so now 100 more people on change.org will see it and potentially sign it
 

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I posted a pic of my non-white self and mixed race daughter a while back. I'm yet to find a burning cross in my inbox. Pulsevape must have not seen it yet.
Bahaha pulse wouldn't cross that line.
He's really a good person, just hardened in his political beliefs.
To be honest, he's one of the ones that helped me out alot showing me the ropes, when I first started vaping.

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