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PSA: Wismec RX Gen 3 510 is not fixed. Explanation and 510 pins explained

SkoldVape

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Is the paint on any mod good lol? if you use it normally it'll be fine but if you drop it alot and scratch it up, it'll chip off eventually. All of mine look damn near new though but same for most of my mods. I take good care of them, except that poor aegis i beat to shit
That's true cos even my smok alien looks okay so I'm sure this will too & everyone has a beater mod don't they haha.
I only have certain mods ill take out the house.
I remember taking my archon out the house, that was a huge mistake.
It dropped onto concrete an definitely doesn't perform the same. Thought it would freaking shatter lmao
 

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That's true cos even my smok alien looks okay so I'm sure this will too & everyone has a beater mod don't they haha.
I only have certain mods ill take out the house.
I remember taking my archon out the house, that was a huge mistake.
It dropped onto concrete an definitely doesn't perform the same. Thought it would freaking shatter lmao
yeah the archon build quality was poor. but i like aspire, I told them that and they agreed with me lol Said that newer mods would be built better. Love the chips performance though. Ijoy agreed with me on the 510 pin of the captain as well. funny enough I do talk with some companies from time to time. i share what i can. some companies don't give 2 flying fucks or even respond to the big guys let along small people like me. I'm sure you can guess which one's those are lol
 

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yeah the archon build quality was poor. but i like aspire, I told them that and they agreed with me lol Said that newer mods would be built better. Love the chips performance though. Ijoy agreed with me on the 510 pin of the captain as well. funny enough I do talk with some companies from time to time. i share what i can. some companies don't give 2 flying fucks or even respond to the big guys let along small people like me. I'm sure you can guess which one's those are lol
That's why the nx100 gets more use being honest but would of preferred them to somehow make an nx100 dual battery with 150/200 watts. I mean the nx100 ain't much smaller than some dual batteries but I'm quite happy with the build quality of that & I feel your pain I've tried to reach out to some companies an they've just not have two hoots!
 

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Yeah was thinking same thing if I'm being honest!
Goes to show you huh ;)
That's why the nx100 gets more use being honest but would of preferred them to somehow make an nx100 dual battery with 150/200 watts. I mean the nx100 ain't much smaller than some dual batteries but I'm quite happy with the build quality of that & I feel your pain I've tried to reach out to some companies an they've just not have two hoots!
there is the speeder they just released.
 

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Yeah was wondering about that, I've not looked into the speeder. You know what chip they are using??
New proprietary chip. they got rid of the 5 button layout sadly. i really liked the 5 button layout. I haven't ran it through testing yet though
 

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I don't get paid anything from every company. I've been offered by some smaller companies (not smoant BTW) and declined it. Outside of mikevapes who doesn't take money from vendors and is adamant about it, any other big reviewer will tell you they get paid per review. now whether there is backdoor "give us a good one" we'll never know, but they do get paid per review. and no not everyone is biased, you ever think maybe they just odn't make good products? you realize i gave a good review to the pico 25 and it's the same company as wismec (wismec and eleaf are both sub brands of joyetech) because it's a good device.
Everyone is biased in his/her own personal unique way because there's a whole list of human bias types on Wikipedia, and that never can be eliminated in full. For me, personally, the Eleaf iStick Pico 25 is not a good device simply because 85 watts is nowhere nearly enough for me, and should in fact be multiplied by 1½ before it could even begin to satisfy my vaping needs, and then I'm not even taking into account the additional wattage output that's required for preheat. So for example the Smoant Battlestar could work for me in theory, and people might even be correct when they keep pointing out it's built like a tank compared to my RX2/3, but in practice the Battlestar is still a shit device because it lacks any kind of preheat feature. What's truly funny about the Battlestar is how many times it got compared to the RX2/3 when the reality is the former is only a 2-battery device, whereas my RX2/3 can be transformed into a 3-battery device as this is a unique feature that comes as part of its original design. Needless to say apples and oranges are completely everywhere when talking about similar looking devices and or similar looking feature sets. Now I'm not pointing at any specific reviewer, but to some certain degree the same kind of philosophy applies to any and all reviewers nonetheless. Whether the reviewer in question is biased purposely to attempt to mislead or not, it's still called bias... regardless.
that's because you have a lot of experience and good devices and can tell the difference. some people in this thread own 0 regulated mods outside of wismec brands hence they can't tell
Personally I don't belong in the category of people you describe, despite you found it necessary to claim that I was. I own five regulated mods, three of which are non-Wismec non-Joyetech non-Eleaf, and, funnily, the one device that did decide to break on me is actually non-Wismec non-Joyetech non-Eleaf. In fact it's Made in USA. So now I own two of those (two identical ones except for their color).

Further, I do have access to a fair number of devices that I don't personally own. In fact I tried so many regulated mods I can't remember them all. They either lack the power output I need and or the battery life on them is shit, or they can't do power curves, or, if they can do, then the power curves on them are not easy/convenient to adjust or use unless you go the expensive route. Expensive, meaning I don't want to spend that much on a regulated mod excepting only some PWM potentiometer mods. This is due to my strong (but certainly not absolute) preference for both mech and PWM (leaning very heavily towards mech) as well as because the only non-Wismec non-PWM regulated ones that can do precisely what I need are 3-battery DNA mods. But I actually prefer 4-battery so that the battery life will impede less on the power curves that I need to use for preheat.

The bottom line is my RX300 with ArcticFox firmware is the only non-PWM regulated mod that factually works best for me because AFAIK there are no other 4-battery mods that can do power curves, and, even if there were, then probably the time/effort it would take to adjust/use the power curves on them would still be a huge con compared to how this all works in ArcticFox if using wattage mode in conjunction with the power curves. I.e., using wattage mode instead of TC mode, set the desired Preheat Type to 'Curve', and use the NF Toolbox software for both editing the power curves and uploading them into the RX300 via USB connection so that simply changing, still in wattage mode, the wattage on the RX300 up or down will cause the power curves to be sized accordingly up or down─conveniently, and in such a way that no further intervention will be required by the user. Let me please repeat that. No further intervention will be required by the user.
Nope never attacked anyone or tried to take it off topic. try again though
Oh here it is:
is a known troll
So much for providing us with your "correct" information. ;) I have thick skin, though... so please try again as I find this all hugely entertaining, and lucky for me I'm experienced enough at vaping to not choke myself to death on one of my fast clouds with laughter as I'm reading through your posts.
don't know my wording exactly but i started this after spending 2 weeks with the device. to me 2 weeks isn't much time. i know many reviewers use a mod a few days and kick out a review, i don't. all mods are minimum 3-4 weeks but more like 4-6 weeks of use. SO my "not much use" is different from others. it's not the 2 mins you claimed lol.
Even if you could spend 2 whole years with a device, you'd still not be capable to truly learn from that experience. You've made it clear you don't like to use wattage mode in conjuction with high power in conjunction with strong battery life in conjunction with─still in wattage mode─power curves used for preheat in such a way that ease of use doesn't plummet as a result of using them in such a way, and, you've also made it clear you don't grok the concept of connecting ground to chassis and optimizing, for the intended use I outlined─and that you don't like, ground to chassis connection.
as far as the IPV it's all i hear on it, but notice how i said i don't own it, cause i don't lie. Everyone who i know that owned one said it was crap so i never purchased one. My reviews have plenty of evidence like i said i do this for a living, anyone who has the knowledge i have can clearly see it, case in point the AF devs.
Clearly you don't see that anyone capable enough to solder a wire to the 510─like DJLsb Vapes did in his video review of the RX Gen3─already knows more than the knowledge you use for a living... see my post #68 for conclusive evidence you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. As for the ArcticFox devs, they initially ran into an issue that made Wismec mods perform worse with ArcticFox firmware especially in TC mode, but ArcticFox firmware has since been significantly improved, and there is no reason to assume wattage mode performance is degraded─with or without ArcticFox firmware─in any way that can be felt on the vape so you are still only assuming TC mode performance is all that matters, whereas other people are capable to understand that TC mode is clearly NOT all that matters.
here is the predator

mind you had DJL stopped using it after his review, this video wouldn't exist, but doesn't mean it wasn't an issue.
Despite the issue is very much real, the fact you can still easily fix it with JB Weld or super glue is very much real, too, so... if you prefer different issues that are harder/impossible to fix, then stay away from the Predator. Else, the Predator might bite you in the rear, which is where your only brain used to be (before it fell out).
 
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Carambrda

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There's plenty of people who are in this field dude, they just choose not to post it & I never said your bad at what you do cos your not. It's just the way you worded things but hey maybe I misunderstood cos I do sometimes. Anyway keep up the good work :) I'm always saying shit an regretting it. Need to think before I speak sometimes!!
Some of them do in fact post it... just not in a clusterfuck of a thread like this one. My advice, go find out the real truth on an electronics forum instead of believing his pseudoscience.
 

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Wismec has huge problems with TC.
Correct.
It very annoyingly kicks you into power mode straight away.
For me, it's the opposite of annoying. I actually like how it does that after I entered TC mode on accident. :giggle:
It just can't keep up but I'm very much same as yourself with that I use wattage mode or sometimes I use power curves on my nx100 but it's just preference ain't it?? But yeah would definitely not use TC on any wismec product!
Would definitely not use TC on any product!
 

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I'm a Wismec fan but the wattage definitely fluctuates and it doesn't read resistance that we'll at all.
Whereas I am NOT a Wismec fan. I just find the mod that works for me so that's all there is.
 

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^^^^^ blah blah blah "the battlestar is shit" blah blah blah. LMFAO, dude you are so full of shit. Will continue to ignore you in the future.

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SkoldVape

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^^^^^ blah blah blah "the battlestar is shit" blah blah blah. LMFAO, dude you are so full of shit. Will continue to ignore you in the future.

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That Carambrda is fucking annoying, he flooded the thread with like fucking 13 messages one after other and is very clearly trolling!!
 

SkoldVape

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This is not the only thread of Anthony's that he has done this too. Was really old then. Know it's just utterly ridiculous.

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I've not read anthonys other threads but I wanted to see if wismec had sorted the 510 but they'll never learn
 

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That Carambrda is fucking annoying, he flooded the thread with like fucking 13 messages one after other and is very clearly trolling!!
It's not my fault I came back online and saw so many posts were added to this thread since yesterday. I replied to each post separately so others who might stumble across this thread in the future can more easily see which posts I replied to, and I actually even kept my replies as short as possible, as few as possible... BTW the reason I'm posting replies is not for you, but for others who might want to more easily see who is spreading all the bullshit.
 

SkoldVape

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It's not my fault I came back online and saw so many posts were added to this thread since yesterday. I replied to each post separately so others who might stumble across this thread in the future can more easily see which posts I replied to, and I actually even kept my replies as short as possible, as few as possible... BTW the reason I'm posting replies is not for you, but for others who might want to more easily see who is spreading all the bullshit.
Man would be better if you just did one long post then I've not gotta read loads of messages
 

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It's not my fault I came back online and saw so many posts were added to this thread since yesterday. I replied to each post separately so others who might stumble across this thread in the future can more easily see which posts I replied to, and I actually even kept my replies as short as possible, as few as possible... BTW the reason I'm posting replies is not for you, but for others who might want to more easily see who is spreading all the bullshit.
I don't want to jump to any conclusions but I'm staring to get the feeling you don't like @SirRichardRear
 

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It's not my fault I came back online and saw so many posts were added to this thread since yesterday. I replied to each post separately so others who might stumble across this thread in the future can more easily see which posts I replied to, and I actually even kept my replies as short as possible, as few as possible... BTW the reason I'm posting replies is not for you, but for others who might want to more easily see who is spreading all the bullshit.
don't worry, we all see it ;)
 

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I just talked to lead dev of ArcticFox about something and some side points came up I would like to address...

There opinion is that current eleaf/joytech/wismec mods have an issue of poor quality-control and assembling, so some devices work great and others doesn't unfortunetly...

The issue of mods not having a soldered wire from the 510 threads to PCB isn't relating to being a bad design in there opinion - it's a more sophisticated design needing more attention to assembly and quality-control, but not a bad vs good design. The issues of assembly and quality-control of such is amongst others e.g. screws not tightened or paint not removed or badly press-fit etc.

Mods assembled correctly work great, soldered 510 or not.

Lastly, the issue of getting kicked out of TC and blaming this on the lack of grounding wire is wrong. It can be among the reasons but not the main or only reason and there's lots of reasons for this to happen, but blaming lack of 510 wire is wrong...

Adding a wire can be a remedy though to fixing poor assembly, but it's the assembly that's wrong and not the design.

Just wanted to pass out this information. This isn't as said about being right or wrong, but to keep sending the correct information out there. And for the record, i'm no wismec fan, or interested in the gen3 at all, and this isn't posted as a diss to Anthony in any way :)
 
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I just talked to lead dev of ArcticFox about something and some side points came up I would like to address...

There opinion is that current eleaf/joytech/wismec mods have an issue of poor quality-control and assembling, so some devices work great and others doesn't unfortunetly...

The issue of mods not having a soldered wire from the 510 threads to PCB isn't relating to being a bad design in there opinion - it's a more sophisticated design needing more attention to assembly and quality-control, but not a bad vs good design. The issues of assembly and quality-control of such is amongst others e.g. screws not tightened or paint not removed or badly press-fit etc.

Mods assembled correctly work great, soldered 510 or not.

Lastly, the issue of getting kicked out of TC and blaming this on the lack of grounding wire is wrong. It can be among the reasons but not the main or only reason and there's lots of reasons for this to happen, but blaming lack of 510 wire is wrong...

Adding a wire can be a remedy though to fixing poor assembly, but it's the assembly that's wrong and not the design.

Just wanted to pass out this information. This isn't as said about being right or wrong, but to keep sending the correct information out there. And for the record, i'm no wismec fan, or interested in the gen3 at all, and this isn't posted as a diss to Anthony in any way :)
Looks like we are getting close to some truth. Thank God.
 

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I just talked to lead dev of ArcticFox about something and some side points came up I would like to address...

There opinion is that current eleaf/joytech/wismec mods have an issue of poor quality-control and assembling, so some devices work great and others doesn't unfortunetly...

The issue of mods not having a soldered wire from the 510 threads to PCB isn't relating to being a bad design in there opinion - it's a more sophisticated design needing more attention to assembly and quality-control, but not a bad vs good design. The issues of assembly and quality-control of such is amongst others e.g. screws not tightened or paint not removed or badly press-fit etc.

Mods assembled correctly work great, soldered 510 or not.

Lastly, the issue of getting kicked out of TC and blaming this on the lack of grounding wire is wrong. It can be among the reasons but not the main or only reason and there's lots of reasons for this to happen, but blaming lack of 510 wire is wrong...

Adding a wire can be a remedy though to fixing poor assembly, but it's the assembly that's wrong and not the design.

Just wanted to pass out this information. This isn't as said about being right or wrong, but to keep sending the correct information out there. And for the record, i'm no wismec fan, or interested in the gen3 at all, and this isn't posted as a diss to Anthony in any way :)
just to be clear are you sure it didn't get lost in translation cause they told me very specifically several times the lack of a ground wire is a poor design and went into detail on why they believe so. sometimes they say "russian roulette" but it's in terms of some mods are built good (pico 25) and some bad (predator)
 

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Honestly, I see the confusion from reading your posted AF quotes, which I agree sounds that way. There "russian roulette" expression refers to good or badly assembled units of same mod, e.g. they own/use primo v1(maelstrom2001) and v2(ReikoKitsune)
, which they think is good if you're lucky with the roussian roulette(I had previous conversations about that). I'll post relevant parts:
Me:

Is it in your opinion/experience true that you absolutely need a ground wire from the 510 and can never get a good connection through the case?

maelstrom2001:

No. I have Primo and I never disassembled it - it just works fine out of the box. And there is no direct ground wire. Anthony substitutes concepts... The more complex the design, the higher the quality requirements for the assembly. The new boxes are characterized by a sophisticated design, but to say that design is bad or wrong - is a mistake. I agree of his position on quality of assembling. But I do not agree about constructive errors. The soldering of an additional wire corrects the build quality, but its presence is not necessary at all. Perhaps he misunderstood me once :D
Maybe Joyetech & Co. should reconsider something in the design to reduce the amount of defects in order to assemble more easily and reliably, which will remit some errors. Or they just need to do more stringent quality control.

Me:

Also is it in your opinion true that you being thrown out of TC is because of ground issues(which Daniel disproved)?

maelstrom2001:

Poor grounding can be one of the reasons for the error, but not the main and not the only one, there can be a lot of them. You and I can name another ten reasons for this issue, but to blame the lack of grounding wires is wrong.

Me:

... is crap because of the missing wire

maelstrom2001:

And once again, my position: a well-assembled box will work well. If it is assembled badly, screws are not tighten properly, the excess paint is not removed, badly press fitted something etc. - yes, the simplest thing is to solder this damned wire, so that it works somehow :D
Btw, thank you for what you do :) The last year I've just come back into RTA's and regulated mods again, after some years of only using RDA's and mechs and I just ordered some new RTAs because of you; the Exo, Aromamizer Supreme v2, boreas and griffin 25+, which I look foreward too. I also got the battlestar because of you, so much appreciated! - Thanks :)
 
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Honestly, I see the confusion from reading your posted AF quotes, which I agree sounds that way. There "russian roulette" expression refers to good or badly assembled units of same mod, e.g. they own/use primo v1(maelstrom2001) and v2(ReikoKitsune)
, which they think is good if you're lucky with the roussian roulette(I had previous conversations about that). I'll post relevant parts:

Btw, thank you for what you do :) The last year I've just come back into RTA's and regulated mods again, after some years of only using RDA's and mechs and I just ordered some new RTAs because of you; the Exo, Aromamizer Supreme v2, boreas and griffin 25+, which I look foreward too. I also got the battlestar because of you, so much appreciated! - Thanks :)
Always appreciate clearing things up. as i said form the beginning it's about good info not about right or wrong. I still in my professional opinion, think it's a terrible design. even if one says if made perfect it's not any issue, the truth is we all know it's rare that any of these mods are made perfect. maybe everyone once in a while like malestroms primo, but many of them are nothing but issues. it also lacks longevity. I mean i can take a 2 wires and twist it together with a piece of tape over it, but it won't pass electrical code. it'll work for a while too but long term not so much. You need to use a wire nut. That's the way i see it. also as a reviewer i can't put my name on a product that if it isn't made perfect, won't work correctly. He sent me this message weeks ago when i asked about his opinion on the gen3
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you can see he clearly states press fit, no direct connection to the board as well as lack of cooling and calls it a piece of crap lol. even in your response he does say at the end just solder a dam wire so it works lol he also says doing so will help make up for their poor manufacturing effecting performance.

So just to be clear it seems they are saying this design can work, but you have a poor chance of getting one that is manufactured good enough for it to work correctly. all of which could be avoided with 1 simple wire

also very happy i was able to help to you and your happy with your gear :) you do have some awesome stuff indeed
 

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Always appreciate clearing things up. as i said form the beginning it's about good info not about right or wrong.
I'm glad you took my posting(s) in the way it was meant.
So just to be clear it seems they are saying this design can work, but you have a poor chance of getting one that is manufactured good enough for it to work correctly. all of which could be avoided with 1 simple wire
Agreed.

also very happy i was able to help to you and your happy with your gear :) you do have some awesome stuff indeed
Thanks again mate! :)
 

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Always appreciate clearing things up. as i said form the beginning it's about good info not about right or wrong. I still in my professional opinion, think it's a terrible design. even if one says if made perfect it's not any issue, the truth is we all know it's rare that any of these mods are made perfect. maybe everyone once in a while like malestroms primo, but many of them are nothing but issues. it also lacks longevity. I mean i can take a 2 wires and twist it together with a piece of tape over it, but it won't pass electrical code. it'll work for a while too but long term not so much. You need to use a wire nut. That's the way i see it. also as a reviewer i can't put my name on a product that if it isn't made perfect, won't work correctly.

Nice to see that you have changed your tone, at least a little bit.

He sent me this message weeks ago when i asked about his opinion on the gen3
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you can see he clearly states press fit, no direct connection to the board as well as lack of cooling and calls it a piece of crap lol. even in your response he does say at the end just solder a dam wire so it works lol he also says doing so will help make up for their poor manufacturing effecting performance.

Your absolutely right that he clearly states all of that. But he also uses the words "probably", "doubtful", and "possibly". And he says that he doesn't have one. Including that quote as proof of anything clearly demonstrates your bias. There is a term that pre-dates the internet, so I couldn't just of googled it, called ditto analysis. It is when you start with the conclusion and set about proving it. You then ignore anything and everything that might disprove the flawed conclusion and only include things that you believe proves that assumptive conclusion. That isn't science, it just looks like it on the internet.

So just to be clear it seems they are saying this design can work, but you have a poor chance of getting one that is manufactured good enough for it to work correctly. all of which could be avoided with 1 simple wire

also very happy i was able to help to you and your happy with your gear :) you do have some awesome stuff indeed

Yes, they are saying the design can work. As that design can potentially be far superior than the "simple wire" you seem to be obsessed with, they damn well better say that it can.
 

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I understand that you can get less internal resistance by using the chassis as ground, but as the attention to detail becomes much higher then(if e.g. press-fit), which a company like wismec certantly dosen't have, then don't you agree a negative ground wire is a more appropriate solution here in a not very QC-friendly budget mod maker like wismec?
 

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I understand that you can get less internal resistance by using the chassis as ground, but as the attention to detail becomes much higher then(if e.g. press-fit), which a company like wismec certantly dosen't have, then don't you agree a negative ground wire is a more appropriate solution here in a not very QC-friendly budget mod maker like wismec?

Yes. But said ground wire will not solve the issues that he claims it will. And that is not what this is about anymore.

Lol i stopped reading there. you can't compare a mech which puts out direct current from a battery, to a circuit of a DC-DC convertor that needs to read resistance accurately and stable and adjust output based on that. Also IDK if you know but many poor quality/designed mechs performed like shit as well. notably the panzer blackhawk (painted threads) and the Maraxus
Read more thoroughly. Don't skim.

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Lol good luck yourself buddy. I'm glad your "schooling" has paid off meanwhile it's my career. Each device has different requirements. for a DC-DC convertor it is piss poor grounding. For say a generator I can shove a grounding rod in the dirt and connect a 14 gauge wire to it and be fine from the ground lug. It's all about the application once you get some experience you'll learn. For instance you know resistive load testing on 3 phase AC doesn't need a neutral? probably not, you learn that from experience not from schooling. Also to be pretty frank and no offense, I know of at least 3 posters who lied about what they do for a living claiming to be electrical engineers but clearly aren't. one of them ripped off a bunch of people as well. Also had a dude in my comments on my channel claim i was wrong and he was an "expert in electronics" mooch jumped in and said i was right and this guy argued that both myself and mooch were wrong. I'm not saying this to offend you or talk down, I'm saying it cause I know what i know and your not the 1st to try and "correct" something that isn't wrong and you won't be the last to do so either

Responses like these every time someone else points out that it isn't the design that is the problem when he clearly stated that it is. Not an apology even though he acknowledged that he in fact may be wrong after your post. If you are expecting me or others to let him off the hook, that isn't going to happen yet. Any individual that in fact has something worthwhile to offer here would be capable of coming back and apologizing for his abrasive and insulting comments. If he is not capable, he shouldn't be here as he has nothing worthwhile to offer as the good will never outweigh the bad. Sometimes endeavors in life just end up to not be worth it. If Vaping Underground allows him to represent us collectively behaving as he has here, and elsewhere on the forum previously, this endeavor will prove to be just not worth it for many in the end. If post count, a donation and posting some worthless videos and announcements to get more impressive banners under his name, gives new users the perception that his opinions may be of more value than any one else's that will be the end result.
 

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Of course post-count and banners doesn't dictate which's opinions matter, and personally the reason I trust Anthony as a competent reviewer and values his opinion, is because he oscilloscope-tests, is thorough, hard-to-please, spends much time with the product before reviewing it, isn't paid, not afraid of going against the crowd/hype, has experience with lots of devices/atties, while additionally having experience in a related field.

If you're gonna argue about rudeness, then maybe not call his videos worthless...

Since you have been in the field yourself previously and seem to be in the know, then I also value your opinion, btw :)
 

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Of course post-count and banners doesn't dictate which's opinions matter, and personally the reason I trust Anthony as a competent reviewer and values his opinion, is because he oscilloscope-tests, is thorough, hard-to-please, spends much time with the product before reviewing it, isn't paid, not afraid of going against the crowd/hype, has experience with lots of devices/atties, while additionally having experience in a related field.

If you're gonna argue about rudeness, then maybe not call his videos worthless...

Since you have been in the field yourself previously and seem to be in the know, then I also value your opinion, btw :)

And I value your ability to be so damn polite when conversing with someone with a differing point of view.

And that is the very opposite of the reason I find absolutely no value in just about anything Anthony does. He completely discounts the fact that what is important to him just may be of little importance to a majority of the people that might be interested in purchasing a product that he is reviewing. His opinions expressed in his reviews are frequently only going to be shared by those that vape similarly to the way he does. So when someone disagrees or objects to his displeasure he so freely shares with a device he then belittles them until they go away. Perhaps if he put more stock into things that a majority of people are actually going to consider a positive and less stock into things that a majority of people could care less about, temperature control, he wouldn't be so offensive to so many. And I can assure you that I have plenty of private messages, that will remain private, to show that it is in fact many that find him offensive. For example, although I agree that if a manufacturer lists a feature it should in fact perform that feature at a reasonable level, I would not be so arrogant as to taunt a majority members on the forum that purchase the device anyway. And if I were reviewing it, I would not give it a blanket fail for the review if it performed otherwise at or above reasonable expectations. Furthermore he seems to have no concept of what reasonable expectations means. You can not compare the specific performance of a $40 device directly to that of a $100 or more device fairly. But that is exactly what he does. That is like a car reviewer bashing a $13k Kia because it doesn't have as much horsepower as a $90k BMW. If that $13k Kia outperformed that $90k BMW you can make that comparison, as it is then a reasonable expectation that a car costing much more should do more than a far less expensive vehicle.
 

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And I value your ability to be so damn polite when conversing with someone with a differing point of view.

And that is the very opposite of the reason I find absolutely no value in just about anything Anthony does. He completely discounts the fact that what is important to him just may be of little importance to a majority of the people that might be interested in purchasing a product that he is reviewing. His opinions expressed in his reviews are frequently only going to be shared by those that vape similarly to the way he does. So when someone disagrees or objects to his displeasure he so freely shares with a device he then belittles them until they go away.

Perhaps if he put more stock into things that a majority of people are actually going to consider a positive and less stock into things that a majority of people could care less about, temperature control, he wouldn't be so offensive to so many. And I can assure you that I have plenty of private messages, that will remain private, to show that it is in fact many that find him offensive.

For example, although I agree that if a manufacturer lists a feature it should in fact perform that feature at a reasonable level, I would not be so arrogant as to taunt a majority members on the forum that purchase the device anyway. And if I were reviewing it, I would not give it a blanket fail for the review if it performed otherwise at or above reasonable expectations. Furthermore he seems to have no concept of what reasonable expectations means.

You can not compare the specific performance of a $40 device directly to that of a $100 or more device fairly. But that is exactly what he does. That is like a car reviewer bashing a $13k Kia because it doesn't have as much horsepower as a $90k BMW. If that $13k Kia outperformed that $90k BMW you can make that comparison, as it is then a reasonable expectation that a car costing much more should do more than a far less expensive vehicle.
 

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And I value your ability to be so damn polite when conversing with someone with a differing point of view.

And that is the very opposite of the reason I find absolutely no value in just about anything Anthony does. He completely discounts the fact that what is important to him just may be of little importance to a majority of the people that might be interested in purchasing a product that he is reviewing. His opinions expressed in his reviews are frequently only going to be shared by those that vape similarly to the way he does. So when someone disagrees or objects to his displeasure he so freely shares with a device he then belittles them until they go away. Perhaps if he put more stock into things that a majority of people are actually going to consider a positive and less stock into things that a majority of people could care less about, temperature control, he wouldn't be so offensive to so many. And I can assure you that I have plenty of private messages, that will remain private, to show that it is in fact many that find him offensive. For example, although I agree that if a manufacturer lists a feature it should in fact perform that feature at a reasonable level, I would not be so arrogant as to taunt a majority members on the forum that purchase the device anyway. And if I were reviewing it, I would not give it a blanket fail for the review if it performed otherwise at or above reasonable expectations. Furthermore he seems to have no concept of what reasonable expectations means. You can not compare the specific performance of a $40 device directly to that of a $100 or more device fairly. But that is exactly what he does. That is like a car reviewer bashing a $13k Kia because it doesn't have as much horsepower as a $90k BMW. If that $13k Kia outperformed that $90k BMW you can make that comparison, as it is then a reasonable expectation that a car costing much more should do more than a far less expensive vehicle.
lol literally none of what you said is true at all

i never belittle anyone

i compare similar things if u actually wacthed my reviews you'd know this. i compare similar stuff. 40-50 dollar dual battery mod to another etc etc. same for attys resticted air 24mm atty to another. i wouldn't compare a kayfun and a voltrove
many people disagree with me, even comments on my channel. i always say the same 2 things "no wrong way to vape" and "if your happy with it don't let my opinion change that. keep enjoying it"

i don't give blanket fails. many mods get a pass as a "watt only" mode mod if it does good in power mode but fails in temp mode. again if you actually watched instead of making assumptions you would know this

also for all the personal attacks yourself and another poster has slung at me in this thread, i never fired back because i find it childish. when you and him were gone this thread became extremely civil and everyone noticed it. then you came back again with personal attacks. in the end it shows who really acts a certain way. you can say what you want but actions speak louder then words. If i did half the things you accuse me of, people would already know it without you saying it.
 

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And I value your ability to be so damn polite when conversing with someone with a differing point of view.

And that is the very opposite of the reason I find absolutely no value in just about anything Anthony does. He completely discounts the fact that what is important to him just may be of little importance to a majority of the people that might be interested in purchasing a product that he is reviewing. His opinions expressed in his reviews are frequently only going to be shared by those that vape similarly to the way he does. So when someone disagrees or objects to his displeasure he so freely shares with a device he then belittles them until they go away. Perhaps if he put more stock into things that a majority of people are actually going to consider a positive and less stock into things that a majority of people could care less about, temperature control, he wouldn't be so offensive to so many. And I can assure you that I have plenty of private messages, that will remain private, to show that it is in fact many that find him offensive. For example, although I agree that if a manufacturer lists a feature it should in fact perform that feature at a reasonable level, I would not be so arrogant as to taunt a majority members on the forum that purchase the device anyway. And if I were reviewing it, I would not give it a blanket fail for the review if it performed otherwise at or above reasonable expectations. Furthermore he seems to have no concept of what reasonable expectations means. You can not compare the specific performance of a $40 device directly to that of a $100 or more device fairly. But that is exactly what he does. That is like a car reviewer bashing a $13k Kia because it doesn't have as much horsepower as a $90k BMW. If that $13k Kia outperformed that $90k BMW you can make that comparison, as it is then a reasonable expectation that a car costing much more should do more than a far less expensive vehicle.
You accuse him of bias and bashing but clearly that is what you are guilty of with these posts. In addition you are posting that you have evidence of others who also agree with you but refuse to show said evidence. My other car is a Porsche.

I can easily find you automotive reviews where budget vehicles are compared to high end vehicles as a matter of establishing their bang for the buck. While I would never expect a 25k vehicle to be better than a 100k vehicle, it is impressive when the budget vehicle can get close to the high end in certain aspects. Mods would be no different when comparing a low price mod to a high end one.

I think your agenda in this thread is clear.
 

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also for all the personal attacks yourself and another poster has slung at me in this thread, i never fired back because i find it childish. when you and him were gone this thread became extremely civil and everyone noticed it.
I've never been gone... just finishing my popcorn as I'm still watching this thread.
 

Carambrda

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You accuse him of bias and bashing but clearly that is what you are guilty of with these posts. In addition you are posting that you have evidence of others who also agree with you but refuse to show said evidence. My other car is a Porsche.

I can easily find you automotive reviews where budget vehicles are compared to high end vehicles as a matter of establishing their bang for the buck. While I would never expect a 25k vehicle to be better than a 100k vehicle, it is impressive when the budget vehicle can get close to the high end in certain aspects. Mods would be no different when comparing a low price mod to a high end one.

I think your agenda in this thread is clear.
Dude. It is none other than the OP who bashes the entire line of Wismec regulated mods as well as bashes everyone who dares point out his theory about the wire is not only just a theory, but pure insane bullshit on top of it all because... well, anyone familiar with the concept of Chassis Ground already knows from TRUE experience that it is pure insane bullshit so why keep defending him after he's lost what little credibility he had left?
 

fraleywp

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Dude. It is none other than the OP who bashes the entire line of Wismec regulated mods as well as bashes everyone who dares point out his theory about the wire is not only just a theory, but pure insane bullshit on top of it all because... well, anyone familiar with the concept of Chassis Ground already knows from TRUE experience that it is pure insane bullshit so why keep defending him after he's lost what little credibility he had left?
I can also speak from experience with amps and car audio that a dedicated ground will almost always resolve noise issues in the system. It is this behavior that I feel makes the chassis ground suspect. I am not saying it's a bad design per se, but it requires a much higher level of quality control. Clearly there have been many issues with Wismec and quality control. The added wire is a bandaid over the quality control issue.

To let a vendor off the hook on something like that is purely a fanboy behavior. The rest of us will avoid a vendor with known quality control issues, until they have been resolved. I think RAM trucks have a lot of good qualities, but will not buy due to quality control issues. And I have family that works for Chrysler.
 

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